and with that logic - cant Badon be used for 5v5? (there is 5v5 HG and 5v5 GvG, both are 5v5 but are a little different)
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Your info in incorrect.I went to Snowlz YouTube channel and watched hes last 5 videos.Theres no "going in youtube and verify"I was there, I played with them for about 2 months and almost all of it they used the bow every day in every gvg.You said since launch, and you also said HEAVY used.So if this is not 100% accurate, Why don't you go to YouTube and verify it?You will find out one of their members channel with GvG videos, you can count how many times out of all GvGs they actually used a Bow.And if they used it for some sort of a time, what does it has to do with "Will we ever see Bow being used in 5v5 as often as Xbow / Frost ?" ?`this is not 100% accurate, shortly after launch, Black Mamba (my old guild) had a really good top-tier team, used the regular bow and they used to beat the shit out of most teams
So yea, it may not be used nowadays as OFTEN, but they once were.
1 Fight with Bow
2 Fights with Clarent
2 Fights with Heavy xbow.
So your biggest argument of "Bows been used since launch HEAVILY" is 1 team reference, which used the Bow only once in recent 5 videos.
So in those 5 videos, the Xbow for example were used 5 times.
Get your facts straight.
I really don't understand why would you bring such argument, if you not even willing to verify it.
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I would love if we would have a thread where people discussed seriously about combat design... which weapons need rebalancing and/or redesigning. I keep seeing posts where people are like "Save Daggers", "Make bows viable for this or that", "Please balance swords, etc."... and it seems everyone are trying to pull the balance in the direction of the weapon they use. Some of these posts almost look like spam and that's a shame. We could have a more healthy/serious discussion about overall balance. There are weapons and skills in every weapon line that I think could do with some tuning or even a redesign.
Regarding bows they are a beast at open-world, and very good for ZvZ (that's a fact). In your opinion what is it about GvG that makes them a last option for ranged DPS and how you would guys address this, which changes do you suggest? Thing is... it's a hard balance, because of the fact you can use each weapon for ZvZ, GvG, 2vs2, open-world, etc...
I am curious how many 400/400 bow players have actually tried to GvG since last changes to bows.
This thread reminds me of some old threads about bow where the Op was a bow player with a lot of specs who was complaining because he couldn't go in any GvG team.
Bow aren't bad at 5v5, especially now.
You have a lot of example of players using bows in GvGs overtime (Lolfandar playing whispering bow since beta 2, Shiro who was playing normal bow) and a lot of changes happened on bow so it can be viable at any scale.
Bow isn't a common DPS, it's not the classic spam q weapon, it has a lot of potential but it requires a setup around it and a good teamplay, thats a reason why people do not play bow in GvG.
Bow is, as the arcanes, a particular weapon with different assets, now arcane is played as a classic q spammer but if you really look at it there is 10 different ways to play it.
Same goes for bow, we saw already whispering, normal bow, longbow in GvG and all had a different utility and a different gameplay.
If you really think you can't make bow work after 15 scrims.... well i'm sorry for you my dude
Bow isn't like fire or frost: it's not viable as long as you can spamm q, it has some different assets, and sufficient assets to be working in gvg (if you set it up)
what you can note with bow: possible range root, possible high range pierce, possible range glasscanon, possible range high AoE damages, possible high range burst, possible range interrupt + damages zone, possible dash+slow, ...
No need to check the recent killboards: since months the number of GvG is super low and most composition possibilities have not been exploited.
Saying that bow is bad since no player currently plays it is not accurate at all.
I gave you names and they are known by a lot of players involved in GvGs at these times, they just tried a different thing and made it work.
I personally don't invest time in GvG atm, it's the only reason why i'm not doing GvGs so don't try to say that you're better or w/e because you do GvGs, i don't even know who you are.
With the crystal GvGs coming and the new bow q i'm pretty sure we will see a lot of bows in GvGs, since there will be way more GvGs and the meta will evolve for sure.