Bows are underpowered

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    • Bows are underpowered

      So let's check the facts:
      1. Normal bows are bugged, since they aren't reducing target's armor;
      2. Whispering bow dps is really underpowered, specially considering the fact that using explosive shots reduces your scape skills to boots and/or helmet skills. So in those 8s you become a stationary dps (you can obviously move, but in order to land dmg you need to stand and shoot the arrows. After those 8s you just dont do pressure at all and has a long CD);
      3. Badon bow kills only low health targets (ZvZing) or get some kills when you have the game stuck on massive zvzs (massive rubberbands); also, 4) Retroman nerfed Deadly Shot in 2017. The skill wasnt used in GvGs and now its gone, due to low dmg output (compared to fire/frost mages), also not worth using in PvE (single target low dmg skill);
      5. Bows always have a shiny spot in many games, while in Albion the shadow of warbow's past glorious days seem to guide a need to neglect the fact that bows are indeed underpowered. A lot.

      About me: Ive been playing bows since my first day in Albion. So far I've reached 67 spec on artifact bows and all the other bows above 50 spec. Badon came and gave archer player's a spot in the fame farm groups, as it lands quite good damage with decent CD. But you dont see archers GvGing, as they are out of the meta. In the other hand, you'll see all the time all players saying that bows sux. Period.

      And Ive to say: when I see badon's killing players due to a combo of an AoE skill plus to a rubberband, feels bad, but its like a glacial staff with more dmg. Ppl die coz they are unable to move. Feels bad.
    • As I mentionned somewhere else:


      81 basic dmg on swords.
      40 basic dmg on magic staves.
      55 basic dmg on bows.

      81+(30%81) = 105 basic dmg for swords using leather (Adding 30% of dmg when you wear leather)
      40+(60%40) = 64 basic dmg for staves using cloth(Adding 60% of dmg when you wear cloth)
      55+(30%55) = 71 basic dmg for bows using leather(Adding 30% of dmg when you wear leather)


      Bows are supposed to be able to deal basic dmg ... and atck speed should be part of that dmg mechanic. But by going full auto atck you lose a massive dmg boost, rendering your tingly arrows useless. This is a vicious circle.

      In T6 you only get 24% speed atck boost by wearing full leather.
    • a cloth stave user can 1v1 a bow user in auto attacks, that is how mutch they care about bows
      edit: a t4 rampart staff has more dps than a badon in auto attacks, lmao they sure know how to balance stuff
      all the Q's are weak, the poison one is only popular to gank, all the W's are trash, explosive deals 0 damage, frost shot stops you for a minute before jumping, speed shot only for ganking, ray og light has a fucking tiny hitbox, and a dumb delay. badon and wailling have decent E's but nowhere near the power of a blazing or damnation.

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    • Missandy schrieb:

      a cloth stave user can 1v1 a bow user in auto attacks, that is how mutch they care about bows
      edit: a t4 rampart staff has more dps than a badon in auto attacks, lmao they sure know how to balance stuff
      all the Q's are weak, the poison one is only popular to gank, all the W's are trash, explosive deals 0 damage, frost shot stops you for a minute before jumping, speed shot only for ganking, ray og light has a fucking tiny hitbox, and a dumb delay. badon and wailling have decent E's but nowhere near the power of a blazing or damnation.
      Bows are not underpowered at all, the warbow is ranked very highly on the killboards so it clearly isnt underpowered its how you play the class, as you should be aware bows have some of the best kiting 1v1 or even 1v2 ability in the game look up nausk, bow is undisputed king of open world ganking. Bow of badon 6.3, dps for example, cd = 30 sec, instant cast,5m aoe, does 101 magical dmg every .3 sec for 4.8 sec, then hits an additional 8 times once enemy leaves, 303+ magical dmg per second x 4.8 = 1454.4 + 8x101 = 2262.4 dmg in 4.8 sec, not too mention the bow can be spamming his q-w and with poison arrow they dead not too mention the e interupts enemy spell casting for 4.8s+ 8 additional hits after they leave area, its OP and frankly a jk this thread even exists, blazing does not interupt spell casting and is a much longer cd at 45sec and is 1 second cast which is ironic a badon could interupt the blazing during the cast..so much biasness on these forums only idiots making threads to buff there already overused weapon lines.. whilst derailing/dismissing any other lines that are not played as fine when in reality no one plays them for a reason, clearly thousands of players play bow/ get kills or it would not be used... like srsly. and for auto attack well cmon the thing is like a gattling gun it has higher fire rates and its q-ws (poison arrow) more than make up for it. comparing a rampant staff with low dmg q-w-e to a bow like honestly really.

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    • Wow... that's some undigestible writing there...

      The problem is that the Warbow is used in openworld pvp, mostly 1v1, 1v3. But although the Badon or Wailing bow are sometimes used in ZvZ they lack representation in GvG, HG, HCE and they don't even come close to how many bows are used in ZvZ for what it's worth.

      When it comes to the auto attack dmg... it's all there, look at the figures. And please, talking about a gatling ..
    • So why should SBI buff Warbow when its place on the killboards is so high, also what are you proposing an e buff ? because if they touched anything else Warbow would be killing groups of 5 no healers solo.. Now it would be a different thing altogether if they werent used like the weeping repeater/ unavailable on AH. The figures dont lie like you can type/craft witty responses all day but in reality bows are fine, i suggest watching nausk solo pvp videos and then say that weapon should be buffed. End of the day SBI can see the evidence and truth behind my statements by examining the amount of underpowered items crafted, high specced, kills or played in general. And once again as the devs have said before with its full loot pvp the game needs balancing as so much is at stake, no support to make bows even more deadly.

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    • Soren, you're right. This post isnt about warbows.

      As far as Ive played Albion (and trust me, I did/do a lot of ganking), warbows are great for solo ganking. And this is all it does. Nothing else. About Nausk? He's a ganker and usually kill gatherers. You have many videos where he falls to all other weapons about solo ganking (e.g. claymores, daggers, healers, mages and all of these came with a 1v1 build, which we are NOT in the topic of this discussion).

      My point, again, is that BOWS are UNDERPOWERED: you dont see bows in GvGs and HGs, purely because they dont bring as much damage as other weapons and/or as efficiently as. Even wailings on ZvZs depends on hitting 2 or more targets in other to do a strong damage to the next enemy. Think about it: damnations, blazings, siegebows, brimstones: ZvZ weapons that actually kill, without a condition, but hitting a target in a superb area. You may have 1300 life or 300, it will kill you, while a 1st target of a wailing will receive a lot less damage and not will be able to kill it.

      Bow of badon, as Ive said before, are actually depending on rubberbanding! How messed up is it?! Bcoz if the low health target run to the backline and get heals, he will NOT die. If hes stuck on a rubberband then yes, you'll get a lot of fame. Like an op glacial. Yea, a GLACIAL.

      The normal bow bug remains unspeakeable. No one talks about it and no one seems to care about the bug.


      What are we waiting for? How many other players we have to lose in order to start fixing bows up?
    • Bows need viability in hellgates and gvg, yes they can be used but ur just gimping ur team...

      Possibilities, make the flat bow E always pierce the target and the atk speed and the damage buff is still the same that it slowly builds ups

      Whispering needs more of a kick, and poison Q would be nicer it it was similar to the damage of curse dots
    • Asaroth schrieb:

      Missandy schrieb:

      a cloth stave user can 1v1 a bow user in auto attacks, that is how mutch they care about bows
      edit: a t4 rampart staff has more dps than a badon in auto attacks, lmao they sure know how to balance stuff
      all the Q's are weak, the poison one is only popular to gank, all the W's are trash, explosive deals 0 damage, frost shot stops you for a minute before jumping, speed shot only for ganking, ray og light has a fucking tiny hitbox, and a dumb delay. badon and wailling have decent E's but nowhere near the power of a blazing or damnation.
      Bows are not underpowered at all, the warbow is ranked very highly on the killboards so it clearly isnt underpowered its how you play the class, as you should be aware bows have some of the best kiting 1v1 or even 1v2 ability in the game look up nausk, bow is undisputed king of open world ganking. Bow of badon 6.3, dps for example, cd = 30 sec, instant cast,5m aoe, does 101 magical dmg every .3 sec for 4.8 sec, then hits an additional 8 times once enemy leaves, 303+ magical dmg per second x 4.8 = 1454.4 + 8x101 = 2262.4 dmg in 4.8 sec, not too mention the bow can be spamming his q-w and with poison arrow they dead not too mention the e interupts enemy spell casting for 4.8s+ 8 additional hits after they leave area, its OP and frankly a jk this thread even exists, blazing does not interupt spell casting and is a much longer cd at 45sec and is 1 second cast which is ironic a badon could interupt the blazing during the cast..so much biasness on these forums only idiots making threads to buff there already overused weapon lines.. whilst derailing/dismissing any other lines that are not played as fine when in reality no one plays them for a reason, clearly thousands of players play bow/ get kills or it would not be used... like srsly. and for auto attack well cmon the thing is like a gattling gun it has higher fire rates and its q-ws (poison arrow) more than make up for it. comparing a rampant staff with low dmg q-w-e to a bow like honestly really.
      badon can easly be blocked by tanks? damnation has a huge range and aoe, blazing deals way more dmg than the badon and cant be blocked by the frontline, overuse does not equal overpower, its a good weapon to gank nothing more, it has high fire rates? have you seen a bow shoot? it has the worst animation ever it takes like half a second between you clicking on some1 and the arrow leaving the bow, a bow with slower attack speed than a nature staff, are you sleeping?.
    • Out of th 15 weapon lines available, only half are meta in GvG.

      The argument "This weapon is not in meta, so it needs a buff" is thus pretty ridiculous. All weapons need a rebalance if we want to have all weapon lines viable in GvG. This discussion is thus not just about bows.

      Since OP doesn't recognize this, there is no point in talking with him. He's just super narrowminded and wants to improve his own short sighted situation. Not the game.
      https://forum.albiononline.com/index.php/Thread/82954-Guide-What-order-to-level-items-in-to-get-the-most-specialization-for-your-time/
    • Indeed, there are weapons in each tree that need balancing. However, this doesn't mean that we don't have to report each and every problem that we face on a particular weapon. That being said, we need to try and be objective and not crying out tears of blood over our personnal favorite weapon. This is why i'll fkin quit this stupid sh1t game cuz they nerfed my bow.
    • Stravanov schrieb:

      Out of th 15 weapon lines available, only half are meta in GvG.

      The argument "This weapon is not in meta, so it needs a buff" is thus pretty ridiculous. All weapons need a rebalance if we want to have all weapon lines viable in GvG. This discussion is thus not just about bows.

      Since OP doesn't recognize this, there is no point in talking with him. He's just super narrowminded and wants to improve his own short sighted situation. Not the game.

      what weapons are in 0 gvgs? other than bow? dagger line has some use, nature has some use, mace has some use, quarterstaff has some use, only bows and arcane are never seen, learn your crap before you post, every non braindead knows bows are underpower, every Q is crap for gvg's , the aoe one is like a melee range ability, less dmg and less range than the crossbow one, none of the W's has use, only badon E is a bit usefull in 5v5
    • Stravanov schrieb:

      Out of th 15 weapon lines available, only half are meta in GvG.

      The argument "This weapon is not in meta, so it needs a buff" is thus pretty ridiculous. All weapons need a rebalance if we want to have all weapon lines viable in GvG. This discussion is thus not just about bows.

      Since OP doesn't recognize this, there is no point in talking with him. He's just super narrowminded and wants to improve his own short sighted situation. Not the game.
      Stravanov, did you read the topic? I'm NOT saying what you've wrote. My point, AGAIN, is that BOWS ARE UNDERPOWERED. Its not that they arent in the meta, its that they are really under the average rate of weapons in the game right now. Except from solo ganking warbow and badon for pve fame, all the others are almost useless. Having 2 out of 5 bows only considered for ganking and another for faming just confirm it.

      Kyssandra schrieb:

      What bows really need in a 5v5 is more options to improve their ability to keep pressure on players outside of their E ability.
      You just wrote my mind up there. Thumbs up to you, Kyssandra. I do feel like bows have no pressure at all on E's cd.

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    • Dexyest schrieb:

      Soren, you're right. This post isnt about warbows.

      As far as Ive played Albion (and trust me, I did/do a lot of ganking), warbows are great for solo ganking. And this is all it does. Nothing else. About Nausk? He's a ganker and usually kill gatherers. You have many videos where he falls to all other weapons about solo ganking (e.g. claymores, daggers, healers, mages and all of these came with a 1v1 build, which we are NOT in the topic of this discussion).

      My point, again, is that BOWS are UNDERPOWERED: you dont see bows in GvGs and HGs, purely because they dont bring as much damage as other weapons and/or as efficiently as. Even wailings on ZvZs depends on hitting 2 or more targets in other to do a strong damage to the next enemy. Think about it: damnations, blazings, siegebows, brimstones: ZvZ weapons that actually kill, without a condition, but hitting a target in a superb area. You may have 1300 life or 300, it will kill you, while a 1st target of a wailing will receive a lot less damage and not will be able to kill it.

      Bow of badon, as Ive said before, are actually depending on rubberbanding! How messed up is it?! Bcoz if the low health target run to the backline and get heals, he will NOT die. If hes stuck on a rubberband then yes, you'll get a lot of fame. Like an op glacial. Yea, a GLACIAL.

      The normal bow bug remains unspeakeable. No one talks about it and no one seems to care about the bug.


      What are we waiting for? How many other players we have to lose in order to start fixing bows up?
      Bows are not underpowered, this thread is under siege from far right bow user bias as per any thread discussing the buffing of a top 3 most used weapon as per killboard (not some conspiracy to shut down bow users) seriously if you cant win 1v1 with warbow your a complete scrub and should uninstall, like i said watch nausk learn how the dots /burst dmg / cds work then own it.. dexy soren is never right he usually posts fake news (maths equations that dont quite work out) and spends his hrs just trying to be argumentive toward what he sees fit, he really thinks hes some cambridge proffessor know it all when in reality all he does it complain about grammar and daggers/bows. PLEASE CLOSE THREAD. - EDIT
    • Missandy schrieb:

      Asaroth schrieb:

      Missandy schrieb:

      a cloth stave user can 1v1 a bow user in auto attacks, that is how mutch they care about bows
      edit: a t4 rampart staff has more dps than a badon in auto attacks, lmao they sure know how to balance stuff
      all the Q's are weak, the poison one is only popular to gank, all the W's are trash, explosive deals 0 damage, frost shot stops you for a minute before jumping, speed shot only for ganking, ray og light has a fucking tiny hitbox, and a dumb delay. badon and wailling have decent E's but nowhere near the power of a blazing or damnation.
      Bows are not underpowered at all, the warbow is ranked very highly on the killboards so it clearly isnt underpowered its how you play the class, as you should be aware bows have some of the best kiting 1v1 or even 1v2 ability in the game look up nausk, bow is undisputed king of open world ganking. Bow of badon 6.3, dps for example, cd = 30 sec, instant cast,5m aoe, does 101 magical dmg every .3 sec for 4.8 sec, then hits an additional 8 times once enemy leaves, 303+ magical dmg per second x 4.8 = 1454.4 + 8x101 = 2262.4 dmg in 4.8 sec, not too mention the bow can be spamming his q-w and with poison arrow they dead not too mention the e interupts enemy spell casting for 4.8s+ 8 additional hits after they leave area, its OP and frankly a jk this thread even exists, blazing does not interupt spell casting and is a much longer cd at 45sec and is 1 second cast which is ironic a badon could interupt the blazing during the cast..so much biasness on these forums only idiots making threads to buff there already overused weapon lines.. whilst derailing/dismissing any other lines that are not played as fine when in reality no one plays them for a reason, clearly thousands of players play bow/ get kills or it would not be used... like srsly. and for auto attack well cmon the thing is like a gattling gun it has higher fire rates and its q-ws (poison arrow) more than make up for it. comparing a rampant staff with low dmg q-w-e to a bow like honestly really.
      badon can easly be blocked by tanks? damnation has a huge range and aoe, blazing deals way more dmg than the badon and cant be blocked by the frontline, overuse does not equal overpower, its a good weapon to gank nothing more, it has high fire rates? have you seen a bow shoot? it has the worst animation ever it takes like half a second between you clicking on some1 and the arrow leaving the bow, a bow with slower attack speed than a nature staff, are you sleeping?.
      Sorry but bulldust and more crap than a feedlot, you honestly think bow has a hard time with cast times l0l, they are some of the shortest cast times fool , bow of badon e is instant, 4.8 secs of dmg similar to blazing do i really have to link DPS equation twice.. yet it interupts casting i.e a healer healing i mean its 30 sec cd, stop talking so much crap and have an argument like your so weak, blazing (45 sec cd, 1 second cast time ( interuptable) , 5 second channel,) badon 30 second cd, instant cast ( 4.8 seconds interupts spell casting, hits an additional 8 times after enemy leaves 5m aoe, its just below dmg than blazing but srsly look at the difference id much rather have a 30 sec cd on blazing for what 500 dmg less. I have tested both weapons and the spell interupt , 30 second cd is more than worth it for the slightly less dmg than blazing, but srsly soren stop commenting such biasness, i agree everyone should have an opinion voiced but sometimes the vocal minority can ruin a games balance, like why on earth other than you play dagger/bow would you want a buff they are so so overused and represent huge numbers of kills per week yet ignore completely underused lines like crossbow, that for me says everything about your motives for being so out of touch with reality.

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    • tabooshka schrieb:

      everything is clearly balanced, if it wasnt it would be in patch notes : )


      also, whispering is very good and underrated, but people want to play the strongest weapons(thats why you see every frost rerolling to fire :)))) all the time :>
      "if it is existing, it's because it has to exist." That's the worst tautology i've seen on this forum yet.

      Plus, you can't draw a "ought" from a "is".

      Hume's law.