Gold Seller & Friends

  • Cryoes wrote:

    solventh wrote:

    game founder is chasing gold sellers. :S
    Pointless chase though, better off restructuring and allowing people to sell gold back to SBI with a tax to allow SBI to keep income. RWT is in every single MMORPG and with their current marketing model they are best off embracing RWT and allowing the community to do it through them, why just sell us Gold when you can easily buy some of it back and give to your community.
    I'm not an expert or anything but as far as I know paying the customer's back for gold is extremely difficult to set up due to Tax and legal considerations. That's also why Diablo III closed down Real Money Auction House (RMAH) in the first place.

    Although Project Entropia did it successfully at the time so it is possible, however the current laws and regulations could be tougher with new EU laws. The biggest problem is considering the laws WW and not just in US.
  • Cryoes wrote:

    Laronnar wrote:

    Keep crying. Keep staying here complaining. Or just leave for ur own good. Ur posts dont help at all, useless sea of tears.

    Bercilak wrote:

    Cryoes wrote:

    What a waste of time. The only time you guys actually act or do something is if it effect your pockets.
    Hi Cryoes so overall you are right we are a company who has to pay its peoples salary. Maybe a few things which might change your mind slightly:
    • So far all our companys earnings I did invest mainly into new hirings to increase the quality of the game
    • From all 50 employees we have 45 who are working on the game itself. The rest is managing all other topics, like for instance Marketing or the Shop on our website
    • In general we never really spend too much time into our business model, we did more or less copy what EVE did, with a few small changes here and there.
    • Actually this business model (We as a company do not sell anything, Player Trade ingame currency with premium currency) is perfect for a player driven economy.


    You havent dealt with how easy your client is to modify since beta what so ever you havent even attempted to stop zoomhacks

    Someone tries to step on your silver or gold though you are all up on that shit.
    This is not true. We actually have made it harder to modify, we had nothing in place over a year ago.Actually we are banning quite a few people each month for modifying the client. Right now compared to the 1000 gold sellers/buyers we ban it is just a number we have not mentioned.
    The reason why nametags are there is also too make this hack irrelevant/less relevant.
    Let me quickly explain why in general it is hard to deal with the topic:
    • The Client must see a bit more than your eyes can see!
    • Otherwise new players would plop in because of normal latency. Turst me you dont want this!


    Sorry that your entire marketing strategy involves around selling your currency to your players.. its broken and a stupid strategy.
    Does the same count for EVE? Or is it just us ;)
    Not to mention you're posting this while maintenance has been extended... probably to hot fix for the crashes we experienced last night .. oh sorry the DDOS attacks..
    Actually we have made an important step towards DDOS mitigation during todays daily maintenance.
    Not to mention in that video you are going after a person selling gold not even a website because you know banning websites wont do anything to them.
    But it was funny was it not?"wait ...""Fuck You"

    Yes, since you mentioned it it is really hard to get to their websites, it is even more important to go for their accounts ingame. We also try to go for their websites with lawyers, but as you said that is an excercise with only a small chance to succeed. In addition we are currently trying to remove paypal from the gold sellers websites.

    Maybe question towards you: What would you have done if someone tells you that this discord member is a gold seller?

    So thank you for showing us that you spend your personal time going after people selling gold and silver and banning them. I am sure that is what I would like the dev team doing instead of working on the game.
    I actually have learned over the years that its important to spend a lot of time especially with the game and its players. I am trying to steer the game in the same direction but we have very competent people who are really hard working on the game. I think one of the most dangerous things is a CEO who is not using his companys product and who is not talking to his customers. I am trying to do both and while talking situations like these occur.Btw: This Gold Seller topic is pretty new for us. During the last days I started a hiring process so we have people who can do that in the future for us on a much more professional basis then I do here.

    really they can sell all the gold and silver they want it doesn't fuck up my gaming experience ...
    Ohh actually it does. The key USP of Albion is the player driven economy. If you would not do anything against gold sellers it would have a HUGE effect on the economy since Gold would more or less be unlimited. Not sure if you know but they dont pay for it. They use stolen credit cards and hacked paypal accounts. The gold sellers among themselves would have a price war until you can buy 24.000.000.000 Gold for 10 Cent. Yes it would also affect us as a company we would also not be able to survive, I am not denying this BUT it is a problem for the players too!
    Half of your community is retarded and the other half seems to have a huge hard on for you.
    I actually feel more like 2/3 hate me ;) Btw if you want talk to me in discord maybe I can change your mind about us as a company.

    Kind regards,
    Stefan
    Respect for responding.

    I understand the client is better now and without giving info that will get me banned I can say you did some work but it is still very easy to modify.

    When it comes to your gold seller situation.

    You should adopt a project entorpia marketing strategy,

    Allow players to buy and sell gold to you. Apply a tax when selling back to the company. This will allow you to maintain control over the currency and the profits while allowing your players that are interested in RWT a way to sell their currency and contribute to the company. Lets face it, any way that eliminates gold from the server at a profit for you is a good thing.

    Instead of fighting players that want a piece of the RWT work with them and you will find much less resistance.

    You may find by allowing players to buy and sell to you they will be less likely to go to 3rd party websites.



    And get the mute limit removed.. 10 people is not enough in an mmorpg.

    You may feel like 2/3 hate you but most people on the forums are here to do nothing but give you praise and wont honestly critique you as they are afraid. I may be an asshole, I may be blunt but I am honest.


    Also if I heard that someone i Discord was selling Gold I would be upset as I am not getting any sort of profit off of it. I would probably ban them but I would not make a video for the forums. There are numerous tickets that need to be answered and more important matters than banning someone selling gold.. all you did was swat away a tiny fly. Do what I suggested and you will find that the industry will leave you game alone as there wont be any profit to be made.
    Actually we thought about it at the beginning. The problem is in Germany you need a bank license for it and its pretty hard to obtain plus we are not anywhere close experts about this topc. Allowing this creates so many additional new problems around a game. You may do this as Blizzard but not as a company who is making their first online game. My elevator pitch was and has always been, we are making an EVE in a fantasy world with a modern action based combat system. And here we are.

    Kind regards,
    Stefan
  • Wit wrote:

    Cryoes wrote:

    Bercilak wrote:

    Just to share a quick story with you guys.
    • Yesterday Snapple informed me about someone who did contact him on discord to sell Silver.
    • Instead of banning him right away ...
    • ... we thought it may be more interesting to play along and find out who he is ingame.
    • So Snapple was pulling out some great actor skills and did pretend to buy something


    But see for yourself he was so kind to record it on Video:





    In case you missed it at the end we also banned 4-5 related accounts with it. Plus 3-4 accounts who already bought gold from him!
    WE DONT CARE IF PEOPLE ARE SELLING GOLD OR SILVER SEEING AS THE COMPANY IS ALREADY DOING IT.

    WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE CARE IF YOU ARE GOING AND BANNING PEOPLE FOR DOING IT, WE ARENT THE ONES LOSING MONEY FROM IT.

    Get your GMS to respond to some tickets about missing items from the market you know things that actually effect us as gold selling and silver selling DO NOT.

    Thank you for spending the time to make and post this video, I hope you get your gold and silver farmers under control but in the mean time please do something about the ZOOMHACKS which have been here since beta. Fix your client so it cant be modified and do something for the community, maybe add more expeditions I played them all in a day and now its repetitive as fuck.

    Sorry im not a stupid sheep like most of this community and I can actually see what you guys care about and what drives you and how little you actually care about providing us with a game full of content.
    You're wrong, WE DO CARE!. These gold sellers/buyers are the reason we are DDOS over n over. You're issue seems to be missing items and unresponsive email support along with game content... items/content are nothing compared to a businesses compromised security. Their priority is making the game secure and stable, and they've got their priorities right; missing pixels can wait imo. I'd rather see them down the server for a couple days, comp those couple days premium, and get this handled quickly.
    Congrats to SBI for catching a few of these people, buyers and sellers!
    You do not know why we are getting DDOS and it isnt because of "gold sellers" RWT is a huge industry and the person they banned was working alone and not for a website they are not the problem. The problem are the large websites which I will not name here that are buying gold with stolen credit cards and then turning it into silver and selling it to people. They are flooding the market with gold and damaging the economy.

    Buying and selling isn't going to hurt the economy any more than SBI doing it. The only reason people are going to other sites is because SBI is only selling gold and not buying any. If they bought and sold gold exclusively you wouldnt find nearly as many people going to chinese websites... and yes I say chinese they are chinese and RWT is mainly based out of China.

    You can't hate on RWT and buying and selling currency when SBI is doing it themselves. I can however say if you are going to sell a currency you should buy it back or people are going to go elsewhere to sell it. If you are going to create a heavily economy driven game you might as well take full charge of it, Look at project entropia, as long as we cant dupe gold you will make money.
  • DrShocker wrote:

    Bercilak wrote:

    Actually we have made an important step towards DDOS mitigation during todays daily maintenance.
    LOL and 10 mins later the game is down from a DDOS hahaha .... come on man

    We have not changed anything but we used the downtime for testing a new setup. I cant remember where but somewhere in my last posts here or on discord I wrote that with a lot of luck we may have something in place by tomorrow. If this helps I cant even say. Sorry for choosing the wrong words here.
  • Bercilak wrote:

    Cryoes wrote:

    Laronnar wrote:

    Keep crying. Keep staying here complaining. Or just leave for ur own good. Ur posts dont help at all, useless sea of tears.

    Bercilak wrote:

    Cryoes wrote:

    What a waste of time. The only time you guys actually act or do something is if it effect your pockets.
    Hi Cryoes so overall you are right we are a company who has to pay its peoples salary. Maybe a few things which might change your mind slightly:
    • So far all our companys earnings I did invest mainly into new hirings to increase the quality of the game
    • From all 50 employees we have 45 who are working on the game itself. The rest is managing all other topics, like for instance Marketing or the Shop on our website
    • In general we never really spend too much time into our business model, we did more or less copy what EVE did, with a few small changes here and there.
    • Actually this business model (We as a company do not sell anything, Player Trade ingame currency with premium currency) is perfect for a player driven economy.


    You havent dealt with how easy your client is to modify since beta what so ever you havent even attempted to stop zoomhacks

    Someone tries to step on your silver or gold though you are all up on that shit.
    This is not true. We actually have made it harder to modify, we had nothing in place over a year ago.Actually we are banning quite a few people each month for modifying the client. Right now compared to the 1000 gold sellers/buyers we ban it is just a number we have not mentioned.The reason why nametags are there is also too make this hack irrelevant/less relevant.
    Let me quickly explain why in general it is hard to deal with the topic:
    • The Client must see a bit more than your eyes can see!
    • Otherwise new players would plop in because of normal latency. Turst me you dont want this!


    Sorry that your entire marketing strategy involves around selling your currency to your players.. its broken and a stupid strategy.
    Does the same count for EVE? Or is it just us ;)
    Not to mention you're posting this while maintenance has been extended... probably to hot fix for the crashes we experienced last night .. oh sorry the DDOS attacks..
    Actually we have made an important step towards DDOS mitigation during todays daily maintenance.
    Not to mention in that video you are going after a person selling gold not even a website because you know banning websites wont do anything to them.
    But it was funny was it not?"wait ...""Fuck You"
    Yes, since you mentioned it it is really hard to get to their websites, it is even more important to go for their accounts ingame. We also try to go for their websites with lawyers, but as you said that is an excercise with only a small chance to succeed. In addition we are currently trying to remove paypal from the gold sellers websites.

    Maybe question towards you: What would you have done if someone tells you that this discord member is a gold seller?

    So thank you for showing us that you spend your personal time going after people selling gold and silver and banning them. I am sure that is what I would like the dev team doing instead of working on the game.
    I actually have learned over the years that its important to spend a lot of time especially with the game and its players. I am trying to steer the game in the same direction but we have very competent people who are really hard working on the game. I think one of the most dangerous things is a CEO who is not using his companys product and who is not talking to his customers. I am trying to do both and while talking situations like these occur.Btw: This Gold Seller topic is pretty new for us. During the last days I started a hiring process so we have people who can do that in the future for us on a much more professional basis then I do here.
    really they can sell all the gold and silver they want it doesn't fuck up my gaming experience ...
    Ohh actually it does. The key USP of Albion is the player driven economy. If you would not do anything against gold sellers it would have a HUGE effect on the economy since Gold would more or less be unlimited. Not sure if you know but they dont pay for it. They use stolen credit cards and hacked paypal accounts. The gold sellers among themselves would have a price war until you can buy 24.000.000.000 Gold for 10 Cent. Yes it would also affect us as a company we would also not be able to survive, I am not denying this BUT it is a problem for the players too!
    Half of your community is retarded and the other half seems to have a huge hard on for you.
    I actually feel more like 2/3 hate me ;) Btw if you want talk to me in discord maybe I can change your mind about us as a company.
    Kind regards,
    Stefan
    Respect for responding.
    I understand the client is better now and without giving info that will get me banned I can say you did some work but it is still very easy to modify.

    When it comes to your gold seller situation.

    You should adopt a project entorpia marketing strategy,

    Allow players to buy and sell gold to you. Apply a tax when selling back to the company. This will allow you to maintain control over the currency and the profits while allowing your players that are interested in RWT a way to sell their currency and contribute to the company. Lets face it, any way that eliminates gold from the server at a profit for you is a good thing.

    Instead of fighting players that want a piece of the RWT work with them and you will find much less resistance.

    You may find by allowing players to buy and sell to you they will be less likely to go to 3rd party websites.



    And get the mute limit removed.. 10 people is not enough in an mmorpg.

    You may feel like 2/3 hate you but most people on the forums are here to do nothing but give you praise and wont honestly critique you as they are afraid. I may be an asshole, I may be blunt but I am honest.


    Also if I heard that someone i Discord was selling Gold I would be upset as I am not getting any sort of profit off of it. I would probably ban them but I would not make a video for the forums. There are numerous tickets that need to be answered and more important matters than banning someone selling gold.. all you did was swat away a tiny fly. Do what I suggested and you will find that the industry will leave you game alone as there wont be any profit to be made.
    we are making an EVE in a fantasy world with a modern action based combat system.
    Main difference between CCP and you is that their game is actually Online.
  • Bercilak wrote:

    Just to share a quick story with you guys.
    • Yesterday Snapple informed me about someone who did contact him on discord to sell Silver.
    • Instead of banning him right away ...
    • ... we thought it may be more interesting to play along and find out who he is ingame.
    • So Snapple was pulling out some great actor skills and did pretend to buy something


    But see for yourself he was so kind to record it on Video:





    In case you missed it at the end we also banned 4-5 related accounts with it. Plus 3-4 accounts who already bought gold from him!
    Hey great work man.

    About 8 months ago I purchased gold from a 3rd party and illegally got banned.

    Can I ever be forgiven, and come back to Albion given I never ever ever purchase gold from a 3rd party again?

    Sorry I caused damage to the game and the economy, and I don't want to risk buying the game and being ban again because the terms, says I can't come back without written permission, how do I get that?
  • IPurchasedGOld1 wrote:

    Bercilak wrote:

    Just to share a quick story with you guys.
    • Yesterday Snapple informed me about someone who did contact him on discord to sell Silver.
    • Instead of banning him right away ...
    • ... we thought it may be more interesting to play along and find out who he is ingame.
    • So Snapple was pulling out some great actor skills and did pretend to buy something


    But see for yourself he was so kind to record it on Video:





    In case you missed it at the end we also banned 4-5 related accounts with it. Plus 3-4 accounts who already bought gold from him!
    Hey great work man.
    About 8 months ago I purchased gold from a 3rd party and illegally got banned.

    Can I ever be forgiven, and come back to Albion given I never ever ever purchase gold from a 3rd party again?

    Sorry I caused damage to the game and the economy, and I don't want to risk buying the game and being ban again because the terms, says I can't come back without written permission, how do I get that?
    looooool is that real tho ?
  • IPurchasedGOld1 wrote:

    Bercilak wrote:

    Just to share a quick story with you guys.
    • Yesterday Snapple informed me about someone who did contact him on discord to sell Silver.
    • Instead of banning him right away ...
    • ... we thought it may be more interesting to play along and find out who he is ingame.
    • So Snapple was pulling out some great actor skills and did pretend to buy something


    But see for yourself he was so kind to record it on Video:





    In case you missed it at the end we also banned 4-5 related accounts with it. Plus 3-4 accounts who already bought gold from him!
    Hey great work man.
    About 8 months ago I purchased gold from a 3rd party and illegally got banned.

    Can I ever be forgiven, and come back to Albion given I never ever ever purchase gold from a 3rd party again?

    Sorry I caused damage to the game and the economy, and I don't want to risk buying the game and being ban again because the terms, says I can't come back without written permission, how do I get that?
    Once a thief, always a thief.
  • Cryoes wrote:

    Wit wrote:

    Cryoes wrote:

    Bercilak wrote:

    Just to share a quick story with you guys.
    • Yesterday Snapple informed me about someone who did contact him on discord to sell Silver.
    • Instead of banning him right away ...
    • ... we thought it may be more interesting to play along and find out who he is ingame.
    • So Snapple was pulling out some great actor skills and did pretend to buy something


    But see for yourself he was so kind to record it on Video:





    In case you missed it at the end we also banned 4-5 related accounts with it. Plus 3-4 accounts who already bought gold from him!
    WE DONT CARE IF PEOPLE ARE SELLING GOLD OR SILVER SEEING AS THE COMPANY IS ALREADY DOING IT.
    WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE CARE IF YOU ARE GOING AND BANNING PEOPLE FOR DOING IT, WE ARENT THE ONES LOSING MONEY FROM IT.

    Get your GMS to respond to some tickets about missing items from the market you know things that actually effect us as gold selling and silver selling DO NOT.

    Thank you for spending the time to make and post this video, I hope you get your gold and silver farmers under control but in the mean time please do something about the ZOOMHACKS which have been here since beta. Fix your client so it cant be modified and do something for the community, maybe add more expeditions I played them all in a day and now its repetitive as fuck.

    Sorry im not a stupid sheep like most of this community and I can actually see what you guys care about and what drives you and how little you actually care about providing us with a game full of content.
    You're wrong, WE DO CARE!. These gold sellers/buyers are the reason we are DDOS over n over. You're issue seems to be missing items and unresponsive email support along with game content... items/content are nothing compared to a businesses compromised security. Their priority is making the game secure and stable, and they've got their priorities right; missing pixels can wait imo. I'd rather see them down the server for a couple days, comp those couple days premium, and get this handled quickly.Congrats to SBI for catching a few of these people, buyers and sellers!
    You do not know why we are getting DDOS and it isnt because of "gold sellers" RWT is a huge industry and the person they banned was working alone and not for a website they are not the problem. The problem are the large websites which I will not name here that are buying gold with stolen credit cards and then turning it into silver and selling it to people. They are flooding the market with gold and damaging the economy.
    Buying and selling isn't going to hurt the economy any more than SBI doing it. The only reason people are going to other sites is because SBI is only selling gold and not buying any. If they bought and sold gold exclusively you wouldnt find nearly as many people going to chinese websites... and yes I say chinese they are chinese and RWT is mainly based out of China.

    You can't hate on RWT and buying and selling currency when SBI is doing it themselves. I can however say if you are going to sell a currency you should buy it back or people are going to go elsewhere to sell it. If you are going to create a heavily economy driven game you might as well take full charge of it, Look at project entropia, as long as we cant dupe gold you will make money.
    Actually, they say on another thread that the DDOS is blackmail from gold sellers, if I remember correctly.
  • ProbablyNotOnline wrote:

    postlarval wrote:

    ProbablyNotOnline wrote:

    Speaking about catches, when am I going to catch my refund ?
    Right after you catch some brain cells, but it's doubtful that will ever happen.Get back on the short bus. It's a sunny day and you can look out the window.
    It's rainy, but nice try white knight.
    Why thank you. Feels good to be recognized as a supporter of the game.

    Why are you here? Is someone paying you to be an annoying twat?
  • postlarval wrote:

    ProbablyNotOnline wrote:

    postlarval wrote:

    ProbablyNotOnline wrote:

    Speaking about catches, when am I going to catch my refund ?
    Right after you catch some brain cells, but it's doubtful that will ever happen.Get back on the short bus. It's a sunny day and you can look out the window.
    It's rainy, but nice try white knight.
    Why thank you. Feels good to be recognized as a supporter of the game.
    Why are you here? Is someone paying you to be an annoying twat?
    Good thing you are not getting payed for being an angry fanboy, can't begin to imagine how annoying you would be if so.
  • Korn wrote:

    Rizzo wrote:

    what can i do about the gold sellers randomly whispering me? i usually just /report name goldseller... not sure if that does the trick though
    That's perfect, thanks!
    We will also upgrade our spam protection soon.
    You could go and change that 10 to i dno 1000 so we can mute 1000 people.. just a thought and a quick fix.. i mean really quick you literally just need to change 1 variable.