good idea, I believe an official will consider this matter.

To speed up the addition of cutting, it must be said that these players make 15-20m per hour and trade silver for real.

Same as guild/ally leaders. Most of the updates was favoring those guys ...

About Blackboa's suggestion, would address one of the mist problems. Papi like it.

YES YES YES

PLEASE add a new layer of Mists t6 with IP cap 1000-1200IP

We can STILL have the main lethal mists but as it stands it is a complete NOOB skill issue fest of people who run around in 2000IP like Beast1k creaming noobs all day with no skill involved.

There is no competition, it is simply boring.

Let us inject some interesting gameplay into the mix, just a lethal Mist with an IP cap so we can have SKILLED combat as well as the trash unfair IP fights we have now that those like Beast1k seem to enjoy.

Nothing has to change per se, you just have to add a new layer which will be so much more interesting.

Well said sir, I agree with every point you've made. The current risk vs. reward is not balanced or fun at all in mist content; and it's a shame.
I would invest so many more hours into actually playing and thriving with a balanced versions of mists - and the "just gang up on the 8.3's in your 6.1's you noobs!" would turn into way more epic scenarios with a ip cap version.

This would solve the plate abusers, hammer abusers, dg abusers.
Oh boi, SBI at least for once do things right

My apologies, it is just that Beast1k is a prime example of exactly the type of gameplay we're trying to change.There really arent any other great ways of explaining it than watching it in action.

Disagree hard. Not everything in the game has to be IP capped. Just treat this is as open world but without getting zerged by blobs of gankers. Just simply run away from the 8.3 guys, if you can't escape a single guy (who doesn't have a proper gank setup btw) either you are bad or your build is bad and you would get rekt in open world.

Literally just go to corrupteds instead and player stalkers? Why need to change Mists for this?
You are risking nothing, team up with 1 or 2 guys in 4.1 and you can get a free 8.4 kill. Two guys in 6.1 can curbstomp a 8.4.
Again, mists are not a safe haven or a "fair" playground for inexperienced players or people who wanna go with cheap gear IF you don't know what you're doing. I sometimes tune in to the 8.4 and 8.3 streamers and 90% of the content is a 4.1 or 6.0 guy being in a pepega build, running up at a player without cooldowns or inspecting. They are the same ones who are SurprisePikachuFace.jpg when they die afterwards and post on reddit "wow game unfair 8.3 ip abuse"
You could have literally turned around and left. I think this could easily be summed up as "skill issue" because if you had silver to buy a higher tier set and equalize the IP then you can easily farm the 8.3 or 8.4 guys. If you can't? Then you are very likely not a good player/still new to the game, and in that case you wouldn't have won anyway even if you could have afforded equal IP. The only times I've seen this not be the case is when veterans or content creators go with cheap gear for fun or doing a zero-to-hero challenge of some sorts.

You don't need to save up to play with 8.3 or 8.4. You are an experienced veteran and a content creator, you should have a plethora of money laying around. Or did you mean this rhetorically? Either way doesn't matter I guess.

Just go 6.1 and be selective of who you fight would be my response. Picking fights and map awareness is a real skill in Albion that circumvents these issues. There's not *that* many people running around in 8.3 or 8.4 and if there were just run around in 4.1 and scoop up the loot ez. The common response from people is "they go 8.3 cause they are too scared to play at fair IP" - chances are those people would have died anyway just slightly slower. The 8.3/8.4 is there to make sure they win vs the other 8.3/8.4's. Not to farm the 4.1 guys, they don't need 8.3 to do that. (Not saying you're saying this, just a very common response from newer emotional players who died to a guy in higher gear)

Just fyi this is coming from someone who doesn't really do mists but I've seen enough POV's from streamers like Beast or W0n. The randoms in 4.1 who run up and die are just definition of "skill issue" in my eyes.
I understand where you are coming from though, it would definitely be nice if there was a possibility like this where you could emulate the mists but on lower IP for newer players. But then the rewards should be trash and at that point is it really worth it? Otherwise I think the yellow/blue zone mists exist right? They are non-lethal I think? If anything I think trying to push those to be IP capped would be more reasonable (Crystal Arena is one example of a content I think should be hard capped)

I think this overhaul as you suggest it would be too convoluted for a system which (imo) there is no problem with to begin with. I think there are other things that could use more attention from devs which actually would introduce more people into the content such as adding Stalker + Slayer Hellgates. But this is obviously just my biased take on this

With all due respect. But I disagree with the overall logic (from gameplay sendbox perspective)
Right, and I believe this is by design. Otherwise you'd be going to Corrupted Dungeons, if you were seeking out "fair IP" fights. Also keep in mind IP difference is not just 8.3 killing a 6.1, its also 6.1 (or 4.1) killing 8.3 when 8.3 is low (for whatever reason that may be). But I would love to hear DEV feedback on what their purpose of the Mists is. If they want "Corrupted Dungeon 2.0" - so be it, but they would need to provide some explanation I hope.
"Usually", but that is also a bit of a generalization. A lot of skilled players go in low tier (and even 4.1 "ratting" gear) and I suppose some will argue that killing high IP player while being at lower IP "is skill". If anything - its the 8.3 in Slayer CDs (even if soft-capped) that is more of IP and skill abuse, because there is a guaranteed 1v1 fight and the 8.3 is taking 0 risk bringing that gear in (there will be no 3rd party in the CD) - but I digress.
Agreed. But when does it feel good getting killed? Maybe when IP is "equalized" - but again, we already have CDs for that. (and I still feel salty when I die...)
If you don't want to die as 6.1 to 8.3 - you have options (and when I say "you" I mean any player). Either bring 8.3 or bring 4.1 or do some other content. And before we say - "well doing other content will kill the Mists" - I would like to see some stats on how many players are actually doing Mists and whether the data shows numbers dwindling. SBI?
But why duplicate an already existing system? (And I get that it won't be 100% identical. But very similar.) Just because dying to an overgeared player feels bad? GvGs worked that way for years. Everyone complained that it was High IP and High Skill cap and very expensive and monopolized by top guilds - and therefore "unfair". Mists can't really be monopolized. Plus people can do Yellow Mists, where you cannot die (no gear loss)
8.3 are not a problem in Yellow Mists. This is first time Im hearing this. Is there data on this? On the contrary - I would argue that 8.3 in Yellow Mists is good, as it actually teaches new(er) players how they can escape and forces them to start thinking outside the box and thinking strategically (i.e "maybe I should not have blindly just engaged that dude, should have inspected first and maybe I need to start bringing escape sets")
I am not 8.3 crowd, but Im just disagreeing from a basic sandbox perspective. Also this proposal completely screws over gatherers, so I am not even sure what to say here in that regard. And ganking gatherers in Mists is not that hard, they are usually feeling much safer there (due to common belief that they, indeed, are safer), you just need a specific set with invis potion.
Again - if SBI decides to implement an IP cap (or IP floor), that's on them, I'd really like to hear an explanation on the logic though (and hopefully some screenshots with data).
I don't know if I agree on the generalizations of "the only solo content" and "worth doing". There is plenty of content in this game, some is just more risky (but more rewarding) and some is less. (Yellow Mists for that matter are super fun when literally you don't have to pay attention to the screen and are multi-tasking). Avalonian Roads (after the recent buff) are also very comparable to Mists, and for the most part, people tend to not abuse 8.3 as there are still possibilities of running into small groups, so the risk factor is keeping things "in check".

PS. People should run more escape sets, since gear swaps are allowed, just like in OW. I think this would really help prevent "accidental" deaths vs high IP (8.3) players. But if someone willingly engages a 8.3 - then don't complain when you die. This is how Albion worked for years...

PS2. Everything I posted here is just my own opinion. I try to look at things holistically and from an overall sandbox and "risk-vs-reward" and "choices matter" perspective. SBI of course has the final say (and they have the data, that we players do not - to back up their design choices)

I dis-agree with IP capped mists.
I happily accept more risk (8.3/8.4 players) if that means more reward. That is why I play this game.

BTW I think this a great discussion. My perspective is from a non-veteran, non-wealthy (cannot risk 8.3/8.4 sets).
For reference my mist breakdown: 80% farming might/gathering (not trying to fight), and 20% T5-T6 looking for fights.

I think that corrupted dungeon refresh is something SBI should consider.
I would love [b]quick and relatively balanced solo PVP content, but something about current corrupted dungeons feels bad. (maybe 1v1 meta + players breaking crystals to escape).

How about solo hellgates with 3-5 people battling free for all style?

I've been going to 2v2 since the beginning.
I prefer 6.1 because it gives you the most fights.
I died many times from 8.3 and from 8.4.
But I have never seen such players fight among themselves.
Moreover, no one fights me if they don't have +200 IP.
The maximum that I have seen in 2 months is two fights 6.3.
Anyone above just doesn't need this risk, they are great at collecting tribute from 6.1-6.2 without getting any return fire.

No one will ever punish 8.3-8.4 players.
In a pinch, it's incredibly easy for them to just leave the location. it's not HG.
they just come in, shave the sheep, and leave when they get overloaded.

Thats it. Just look at streamers doing solo content.

I don't quite agree, more splits leads to fighting the same people, if I have to fight 24/7 only vs 8.3 meta sweaty cheesers who will abuse all the mechanics in the game just to win then thank you for such a game....

Diversity is something that is needed, everyone needs some low/medium tiers fights for 1 tryhard fight....

I would be more in for a change in the way item power is scaled, because over the last few years adding more and more IPs without updating the scaling system is clearly starting to look like P2W..

I dont think Capped mists should be a thing. There is a lot of capped content already in the game. We dont need more limits. We just need more direction.

Instead of IP caps, just change the way people are sorted into mists when they enter. Have the system check IP and try to allocate a player to a mist with others of that IP. You can pool mists into IP tiers. This of course would not be 100%. It would just take it into account and if available, boom your in a high roller mist if your in high roller gear. This still puts 800ip with 1600ip+ but also makes sure that the high rollers end up with other people wearing high tier gear as well. Everything good must come to an end.

8.3-8.4 gear outweighs people in 6.0-7.2 and lower by so much its just a free win. The counter to this would be to create a system to make sure these 8.3/8.4 gear crutches end up fighting each other more often than a person with 1200ip. The narrative is that "ratting is bad and they just want good fights" well give them the good fights they crave. Put them in a mist with each other and see how the narrative changes. Because believe me its not about skill, its about easy kills, and stream views. They need an absurd advantage to keep all that up, and wearing 8.3/8.4 gives them that. So put a little risk on it and lets see what happens.

need 2 option

1 capped mist
2 uncapped mist

Probably this applies to all content on Albion. Everyone always has a higher IP on any records. If there was a moment where a player would kill his equal, he would definitely fall into such a cut. But that doesn't happen.
And if in other content such a player will probably fight 1v10 or 3v10, then only 2v2 and that's all.
In this video, in each kill, the player had an advantage of at least 300ip. In each kill.