Whispering bow is BALANCED it is super glass against that touch it during the E phase
this may make it strong in solo due to bow's ability to put distance but its balanced over all

trinity spear is a weapon with high skill base and high skill celing. it has an over the top over loaded E ment for team fights but do not see the light of day due to mobility meta
in the open world

bear paws is the defination of axes having Everything in their kit, mobility, aoe, true damage, Light CC
it is either super good or super bad similar to spears because it is good in everthing that one nerf or buff can ruin the weapon and break it

Frost? honestly frost is considered balanced in most cases because to reach DPS levels output by expert players you need the ping and skill to land said skill shots
and most importantly sacrifice alot of defensives for offensive armors so dont know where it went wrong when in theory it should be balanced

I am a Reg bow main for solo play
and i can tell you the truth if something is broken from bow's weapon line PoV

i may be biased but i feel like melees are much stronger then any ranged weapon if they manage to get close to you and stick on you and land several autos

when it comes to making space and poke range weapons have the superiority
but if given the chance for any melee to brawl against a range weapon melees suppose to have advantage

this is why reg bow is very strong because you cannot out duel a reg bow without purge

Whispering E can be strong yes. Badon and Whispering both have presence in top 20 rankings in Slayer. I still feel the only real broken thing with bow atm is multishot. Having a long range short cool down knock back on Q to pair with frost shot W is busted. They fix that Q and it would balance out these bows. Bows also need better Ws though. Bows ONLY ever use frost shot so that is a problem. Builds should be using variety of W skills.

I used to think whispering bow was OP so I used to use it. Until I found that I would consistently lose a 1v1 to normal bow. Now I use normal bow instead. Bow seems weak against swords and battle axe and bear paws from my point of view those weapons seem OP, but I know that they're not.

This game's combat is very scissors, paper, rock so if you're finding another weapon OP it could just be because that weapon counters yours.

Also bear paws useless? Are we even playing the same game? There's a reason that even T4 bear paws sells for over 100k. They're strong for PvE, PvP and 1vX.

'leave for the elders'
'i have a bazingalion fame'
'bear paw is useless'

oh boi

dont mind Him hes just being backed into a coner because bows when played properly outpokes spears and bearpaws with its range and mobility

badon before merc jacket rework was prime example of insane sustain with super long range poke
that it would dominate any spear or bearpaws

therefore after nerf to merc jacket and the shift to armor of valor badon has way more survivability
while merc jacket use was moved into whispering because it can now be procced faster by whispering's E which hits in 2 parts

In 1v1 situations its kina hard to judge how strong for a weapon because some weapons hard counter others
there were some exceptions such as hallowfall, tombhammer, 1h mace,wildfire rework, which seen a nerf in the following patches down the line

but talking about whispering bow. it was made to be a hyper long range single target weapon along side its hyper shread Dps Regular bow
its immense range was basicaly its identity but it suffered from purge and lack of Dps among things before the rework

therefore when SBI reworked whispering bow it was not as strong as it first appeared because of the -20% defences debuff but over time when meta shifted from things like wild fire to broadsword and trinity spear meta. whispering bow was able to use its insane range to out range all melee classes

so if a melee is unable to close the distance and deal damage to the whispering bow when he had his E up. the melee would eat huge damage coming in and going out because of the screen wide range. along side peel from multi shot and mobility from frost shot it makes it so that melees have a hard time to reset

it's impossible to lose as a spear to bow or whispering bow XD

they cant kite u because u have E, and u can just pick reflect on W and kill them without even moving.

HIgh skill base ??

Ah you mean the Auto AA Q?


I agree, selecting target and press space needs a lot of skill..

And in time press E, then more space..

@Gacox chill abit
what he said has some truth in stalker levels where players have not master what every ability do YET

as for slayer levels the use of reflect is very common when spear players face my regular bow, warbow
and when i am using whispering, badon they would use harpoon instead

almost every spear user i meet always use either harpoon or impaler as first choice W
so depending on which bow i am on they would use the best choice W to counter me assuming they are given the chance to reset.
this is why bows when given the chance would not let you reset because when spears change the battle becomes twice as hard

this versatility is kina strong because spears have best W for multiple scenarios so you cannot hard counter them
spears even can use cripple which hard counter swords. there is no one ability where it completely destroys a build archtype
reflect to deal with one shots
and can even build one shot it self.

this is so much more versatility than bows who have been forced into multi shot and frost shot combo for almost any pvp viable bow build

@Trial_hard

i rarely see a trinity spear land their E as a stand alone skill
they often have to combine it with harpoon or some other cc
and thats not all trinity spear can do. it is also an iframe where it can dodge incoming hard hitting spells

so pretty much Overloaded E which has high skill ceiling and low entry skill for those who simply use it to get the buff

game play of auto attack and use Q is easy enough but what Q and W ability for spear to maximise their E is where the skill ceiling comes from
Pike one shot, glaive CC, 1h spear kite play style or the overloaded E of trinity all has more outplay potential than a bow line

this is compared to reg bow with space bar gameplay or the badon/warbow with run and E tactics

Landing Long range skill shots is not the only way to express skill

The problem is frostshot + multishot combo. Stupid broken. How mucho time till Sbi don't make it both W...

make more better W and Q choices for bow line

spears, sword and other melee weapons have interesting and powerful options

bows should have choices where other W would be better
and not explosive arrow vs frost shot

I mean it's less braindead than pike

U have to aim the E and some weapons have the potential of getting them off from the E range

For me, I can use brawler gloves and getting them CC'ed until I get them out of E or until it finishes

I agree... The range with mage cowl is, um...

0 stack nothing...

let whisper bow stay as it is just let it have range stacks. same as regi bow has dmg and as stacks.