[8. July 2020] Queen Hotfix 15.1

PrintsKaspian · Jul 8th 2020, 11:04am

Queen Hotfix 15.1

Combat Balance Changes

Self Ignition (Specter Jacket):
- Self Damage per tick: 50 true Damage → 3% of max health

This is a temporary hotfix intended to improve the situation for the high-level Crystal League matches coming this weekend.

As this is a server-side hotfix, the tooltip of the skill will still display the old value. The next patch will contain a proper adjustment to this ability, and will also adjust the tooltip.

easywin · Jul 8th 2020, 11:25am

i dont know why are u not making this jacket not immune anymore to the purge for me this is the only reason why specter jacket is cancer like one hand dagger E

Afrail · Jul 8th 2020, 11:27am

thank god

Funstealer · Jul 8th 2020, 12:33pm

do they still stack?

Robinhoodrs · Jul 8th 2020, 12:54pm

Thank god. :thumbsup:

Mytherceria · Jul 8th 2020, 1:24pm

Funstealer wrote:

do they still stack?

Yes, it does.

Lewke · Jul 8th 2020, 2:12pm

Shoulda just made it purgeable and not stackable

Twissa · Jul 8th 2020, 2:50pm

This seems a buff not a nerf...and I really hope that it's not stackable anymore like you said...you didn't mention stackability anywhere in this thread.

Morgif · Jul 8th 2020, 3:22pm

Why do you think it's a buff? Unless you have less than 1650 hp then this deals more self damage than before.

Vargt · Jul 8th 2020, 4:07pm

buff against high health targets for sure.

possibly nerf against regular health.

does not address the op nature of this item at all.

agree w/ others that removing ability to stack and/or making it purgable are probably only way to actually fix imbalance here.

Tabor · Jul 8th 2020, 4:09pm

Yeah I was confused reading this "hot fix" on how it makes any impact at all. I guess it hurts the guardian boot combo use of it a bit but is that the core issue?

Grimhawke-EB · Jul 8th 2020, 4:15pm

@Twissa @Vargt I think you are misreading a key word in the change. It's only the self damage that is changing from 50 true damage to 3% of max health. Damage to other players will remain the same, 50 true damage (affected by buffs/debuffs).

This is a big nerf for ZvZ or higher level CGvG. In ZvZ with sandwhich and tap root in 1400IP I have just over 4k hp. With old version of specter jacket I could activate gigantify boots for 8s and have 8k HP and burn for 8s and only deal 800 damage or about 10% of my total HP once the gig effect wore off. With this change, I'll be doing 3% max HP every HALF second, and using +HP items doesn't offer any benefit. If I burn for 8s I'm now doing 48% of my total HP as damage to myself.

The place where this was truly broken was in 5v5 content. In ZvZ it's strong, but not broken. I really hope this hotfix is just temporary and SBI is working on a permanent adjustment or rework for this item because as it stands from this patch it is entirely useless.

Twissa · Jul 8th 2020, 4:37pm

Grimhawke-EB wrote:

@Twissa @Vargt I think you are misreading a key word in the change. It's only the self damage that is changing from 50 true damage to 3% of max health. Damage to other players will remain the same, 50 true damage (affected by buffs/debuffs).

This is a big nerf for ZvZ or higher level CGvG. In ZvZ with sandwhich and tap root in 1400IP I have just over 4k hp. With old version of specter jacket I could activate gigantify boots for 8s and have 8k HP and burn for 8s and only deal 800 damage or about 10% of my total HP once the gig effect wore off. With this change, I'll be doing 3% max HP every HALF second, and using +HP items doesn't offer any benefit. If I burn for 8s I'm now doing 48% of my total HP as damage to myself.

The place where this was truly broken was in 5v5 content. In ZvZ it's strong, but not broken. I really hope this hotfix is just temporary and SBI is working on a permanent adjustment or rework for this item because as it stands from this patch it is entirely useless.

Ahhh ok.Thanks!

Captainrussia · Jul 8th 2020, 5:37pm

this is funny to read after taking 4 months break from the game...

Specter Jacket was cried about as the most useless item in the game since its release a year ago (if not longer) and finally it found its way into usable meta... but now everyone is crying.

Give the DEVs a little time to adjust. 1 month of OP play does not make up for over a year of being a useless item (remember all those "Specter Jacket is useless" posts for months?).

Welcome to the meaning of "balance"

Tabor · Jul 8th 2020, 5:46pm

It is more ironic that one simple chain slash W change has made so many items broken now. None of these things were played much at all until that change.

SuckerPunch · Jul 8th 2020, 9:21pm

I am hoping this is just a 'hotfix' and real balancing will come soon.
Because you know.. there is nothing more permanent than 'temporary'.

SHARKY · Jul 8th 2020, 9:32pm

SuckerPunch wrote:

I am hoping this is just a 'hotfix' and real balancing will come soon.
Because you know.. there is nothing more permanent than 'temporary'.

Retroman wrote:

Self Ignition (Specter Jacket)

Self Damage per tick: 50 true Damage -> 2% of max health
The auras can't be stacked anymore. If multiple auras hit the same target, they override each other)

Korn · Jul 8th 2020, 10:23pm

Hey there,

the proper fix (making the auras non-stackable) will follow soon.

Acoustic · Jul 8th 2020, 11:31pm

Captainrussia wrote:

this is funny to read after taking 4 months break from the game...

Specter Jacket was cried about as the most useless item in the game since its release a year ago (if not longer) and finally it found its way into usable meta... but now everyone is crying.

Give the DEVs a little time to adjust. 1 month of OP play does not make up for over a year of being a useless item (remember all those "Specter Jacket is useless" posts for months?).

Welcome to the meaning of "balance"

This. I said months ago, give it a new ability. It's going to be literally useless after the patch because the damage will be so low, do so much more damage to yourself, not stack, etc. Right now it's cheesy as hell but it's still not a very good item for anything but cheese. It needs to be remade.

LoganSilkCheeks · Jul 8th 2020, 11:44pm

Acoustic wrote:

Captainrussia wrote:

this is funny to read after taking 4 months break from the game...

Specter Jacket was cried about as the most useless item in the game since its release a year ago (if not longer) and finally it found its way into usable meta... but now everyone is crying.

Give the DEVs a little time to adjust. 1 month of OP play does not make up for over a year of being a useless item (remember all those "Specter Jacket is useless" posts for months?).

Welcome to the meaning of "balance"

This. I said months ago, give it a new ability. It's going to be literally useless after the patch because the damage will be so low, do so much more damage to yourself, not stack, etc. Right now it's cheesy as hell but it's still not a very good item for anything but cheese. It needs to be remade.

they like to rave about risk vs reward but those things cost more than most builds in cgvg which is causing them to nerf it and the nerf is just to start killing tanks with 3% per sec, i guess i can name my char aloha snackbar and run into zergs with it using that and hunter hood only

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