Regarding Casinos / Gambling / Games of Chance [Updated May 05]

    • Bogul wrote:

      Talion wrote:

      ... and you cannot pay in-game currency/items/etc for real world stuff. This covers goods and services.
      ...
      • Giving a guild member 1 million silver for his time to deliver food to a hideout? Absolutely fine.
      • Giving a guild member a subsidiary payment to fund his premium through Silver for spending 80% of his "game-time" recruiting members to the guild and talking to people on Discord? Fine
      • Giving a guild member 1 million silver for his time spent making and managing the guild discord? Fine
      • Giving a guild member 1 million silver for his time spent making the guild logo that is used on a website that has ads enabled? Fine
      • Giving a random Albion player 1 million silver to create / host a market / killboard bot for you? (or hidden through a kickback %) Problematic. It's a random player and not a guild member. And you pay him for creating/hosting a bot, that is essentially a "coding job" which is a very clearly a real world service that is usually payable. It would be okay if it was a normal guild member.
      • Giving a random Albion player 1 million silver to make an overlay for your twitch channel that you play Albion on? Problematic as Twitch overlay creation is often sold as a commercial service for real money and the person doing the work is not a friend or guild mate.
      Mind clarifying these usecases?

      @Talion
      These are good questions and they also outline what problematic "fringe cases" can actually look like.

      See the comments in red above.

      Note that none of your examples above is what we'd call a "clear violation". A key reason why we have to look at these fringe cases carefully - and with caution - is that we are concerned about someone trying to use any of those as a loophole in order to set up something that very clearly goes against the spirit and intention of the no RMT rule.
    • Hello,

      As an addition to the general statements:

      The operation of Amphoras, formerly AlbionCasino, is explicitly prohibited in any and all forms, as they are, among other things, found in continued violation of clauses 4.5.1 and 13.2 of our Terms and Conditions.

      In particular, the site encourages users to deposit siphoned energy in their third party wallet. Also, it’s actively and aggressively being promoted through a special sign up bonus.

      Finally, we have also discovered that a faked customer service screenshot is being distributed on their Discord that incorrectly states that we had allowed their services. This is not the case.

      The organizers are still allowed and encouraged to pay back what people paid into the service, however are expressly forbidden to take new pay-ins and to continue operation.

      -Talion
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    • Talion wrote:


      You cannot pay real cash for in-game stuff, and you cannot pay in-game currency/items/etc for real world stuff. This covers goods and services.

      -Talion
      Thank you for this great news. I have one question: If I buy Gold with real money cash and then sell it in game for silver, and then buy weapons / fame tomes, isn't it exactly what you are saying is not possible in Albion?
    • Horin wrote:

      Talion wrote:

      You cannot pay real cash for in-game stuff, and you cannot pay in-game currency/items/etc for real world stuff. This covers goods and services.

      -Talion
      Thank you for this great news. I have one question: If I buy Gold with real money cash and then sell it in game for silver, and then buy weapons / fame tomes, isn't it exactly what you are saying is not possible in Albion?
      The best answer I have for you is: Where are you buying that gold?
    • LordSilva wrote:

      Horin wrote:

      Talion wrote:

      You cannot pay real cash for in-game stuff, and you cannot pay in-game currency/items/etc for real world stuff. This covers goods and services.

      -Talion
      Thank you for this great news. I have one question: If I buy Gold with real money cash and then sell it in game for silver, and then buy weapons / fame tomes, isn't it exactly what you are saying is not possible in Albion?
      The best answer I have for you is: Where are you buying that gold?
      Well, in Albion store / shop :)


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    • Horin wrote:

      Talion wrote:

      You cannot pay real cash for in-game stuff, and you cannot pay in-game currency/items/etc for real world stuff [FROM ANYONE OTHER THAN SBI]. This covers goods and services.

      -Talion
      Thank you for this great news. I have one question: If I buy Gold with real money cash and then sell it in game for silver, and then buy weapons / fame tomes, isn't it exactly what you are saying is not possible in Albion?
      There I fixed it for you, so you can understand Horin.... It's about third party transactions because ownership of virtual assets belongs to SBI. No one *other than them* can sell *their* things.
    • Zalrenic wrote:

      Horin wrote:

      Talion wrote:

      You cannot pay real cash for in-game stuff, and you cannot pay in-game currency/items/etc for real world stuff [FROM ANYONE OTHER THAN SBI]. This covers goods and services.

      -Talion
      Thank you for this great news. I have one question: If I buy Gold with real money cash and then sell it in game for silver, and then buy weapons / fame tomes, isn't it exactly what you are saying is not possible in Albion?
      There I fixed it for you, so you can understand Horin.... It's about third party transactions because ownership of virtual assets belongs to SBI. No one *other than them* can sell *their* things.
      I see! Now its clear to me. Thanks :)
    • Korn wrote:

      Bogul wrote:


      • Giving a guild member 1 million silver for his time to deliver food to a hideout? Absolutely fine.
      • Giving a guild member a subsidiary payment to fund his premium through Silver for spending 80% of his "game-time" recruiting members to the guild and talking to people on Discord? Fine
      • Giving a guild member 1 million silver for his time spent making and managing the guild discord? Fine
      • Giving a guild member 1 million silver for his time spent making the guild logo that is used on a website that has ads enabled? Fine

      These are good questions and they also outline what problematic "fringe cases" can actually look like.
      [...] A key reason why we have to look at these fringe cases carefully - and with caution - is that we are concerned about someone trying to use any of those as a loophole in order to set up something that very clearly goes against the spirit and intention of the no RMT rule.
      I have a fringe case I need clarified.

      Question of whether this would be allowed under TOS.


      (1) My guild has an "econ" team that is responsible for generating silver via various market activities to cover guild expenses.
      (2) These activities are supported by out of game analysis tools
      (3) Previously, the team shared profits on the honor system
      (4) I want to move to them paying silver upfront to encourage more competitive behavior.
      (5) for their money, they are guaranteed that no other member of the team competes in their niche.

      I want to make sure that his is not against TOS as a grey area RMT violation, as it "smells like" paying silver for access to out of game tools. The market activities are accelerated very heavily by use of the guild's tools, and people not participating in the project do not get access.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Zalrenic ().

    • Zalrenic wrote:

      I have a fringe case I need clarified.
      Question of whether this would be allowed under TOS.


      (1) My guild has an "econ" team that is responsible for generating silver via various market activities to cover guild expenses.
      (2) These activities are supported by out of game analysis tools
      (3) Previously, the team shared profits on the honor system
      (4) I want to move to them paying silver upfront to encourage more competitive behavior.
      (5) for their money, they are guaranteed that no other member of the team competes in their niche.

      I want to make sure that his is not against TOS as a grey area RMT violation, as it "smells like" paying silver for access to out of game tools. The market activities are accelerated very heavily by use of the guild's tools, and people not participating in the project do not get access.

      Hey there, the case you described above is fine as it's considered as an in-game payment for an activity that is 100% in-game related. So for example, an analysis of in-game markets also falls under this.

      Mytherceria#3744
    • ThreeToMidnight wrote:

      Hi I have a q, is it allowed to randomly choose a guild member and give them silver, as part of a silver giveaway?
      Best thing you could do is to contact the support and tell them what exactly it is you want to do and how much silver you want to give to whom, what the reason for that giveaway is (what do you gain?), how exactly it will work etc., they will tell you whether it is fine with the ToS or not

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Nesnes ().

    • Nesnes wrote:

      ThreeToMidnight wrote:

      Hi I have a q, is it allowed to randomly choose a guild member and give them silver, as part of a silver giveaway?
      Best thing you could do is to contact the support and tell them what exactly it is you want to do and how much silver you want to give to whom, what the reason for that giveaway is (what do you gain?), how exactly it will work etc., they will tell you whether it is fine with the ToS or not
      That makes no sense. So I cant do to my silver wtv I want?

      What if someone else places a buy order and I fill it? Do I have to prove that the price was ok with the market? Or should SBI prove it was not?

      I just said in the other post: who tells me that those people "falling" for market scams buying potions and food for millions are not RMTing?

      Lets take it to the extreme even more harder: What if it is a rare skin, what if someone sells it for 2b (+ real money) ? How can you tell if the prices are fair or not? Or that skin should worth 5b so obvisously it had RMT involved? How r you going to value items and prevent RMT through them?

      Having to contact support for that seems ridiculous. People shouldnt be afraid of doing anything that is not wrong. Imagine waiting for 2-3 days everytime you want to do a giveaway becayse you have to contact support first lool.

      Your job is to prove someones guilty, and not the other way around in my opinion.

      Do you rather take the chance of baning innocent people because you suspect of RMT and force people to gather evidence that they dont have and have no way to get, or ban only those you r 100% sure to RMT? Imagine logging in and being banned after years of playing without doing anything wrong... Only people that you r 100% sure to have RMT, with evidence, should be banned.

      By reading the last statements in this subject it looks like we are all guilty unless we can prove otherwise.

      There is one simple thing that you should take into account with RMT, instead of making it all that complex: unless you can link it to sites that promote and intermediate those activities, everything else has an high chance of scam for both sides, so it is not something as common as it seems to be.

      So, by the numbers of bans given everytimr, I assume you can link it to those sites and keep thee bans tied to silver transfer only, and not items.

      Why not sue those sites for promoting activities agains the ToS, the same way RIOT sues cheat makers? Solve the problem from its source.

      Just my 2 cents, because I feel like I have to think twice before I spend or accept silver.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by MadSkillzDLR ().

    • MadSkillzDLR wrote:

      Nesnes wrote:

      ThreeToMidnight wrote:

      Hi I have a q, is it allowed to randomly choose a guild member and give them silver, as part of a silver giveaway?
      Best thing you could do is to contact the support and tell them what exactly it is you want to do and how much silver you want to give to whom, what the reason for that giveaway is (what do you gain?), how exactly it will work etc., they will tell you whether it is fine with the ToS or not
      That makes no sense. So I cant do to my silver wtv I want?
      You can do whatever you want with your silver, but if you want a complete guarantee about the legality (ToS) of something, you are going to need to contact support and be VERY specific about exactly what you want to do, and then not deviate from what you submitted.

      Problems arise for SBI when someone asks "Hey, can I do a giveaway for my guild members?". So you have a good faith actor. Who has however many members, and RNGs a winner and hands out 10M silver, or whatever. Perfectly fine. SBI won't even blink probably. But, you could have a bad faith actor to. Who invites one person to a guild, hands them 500M silver, and then that person leaves. SBI bans you for it, and you try to point at a post where a moderator or admin says that guild giveaways are fine and legal.

      As long as the actual transaction is in good faith, and isn't trying to get around the ToS for RMT, you will, in my experience, never have a problem.
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