Regarding Casinos / Gambling / Games of Chance [Updated May 05]

    • Bogul wrote:

      Talion wrote:

      ... and you cannot pay in-game currency/items/etc for real world stuff. This covers goods and services.
      ...
      • Giving a guild member 1 million silver for his time to deliver food to a hideout? Absolutely fine.
      • Giving a guild member a subsidiary payment to fund his premium through Silver for spending 80% of his "game-time" recruiting members to the guild and talking to people on Discord? Fine
      • Giving a guild member 1 million silver for his time spent making and managing the guild discord? Fine
      • Giving a guild member 1 million silver for his time spent making the guild logo that is used on a website that has ads enabled? Fine
      • Giving a random Albion player 1 million silver to create / host a market / killboard bot for you? (or hidden through a kickback %) Problematic. It's a random player and not a guild member. And you pay him for creating/hosting a bot, that is essentially a "coding job" which is a very clearly a real world service that is usually payable. It would be okay if it was a normal guild member.
      • Giving a random Albion player 1 million silver to make an overlay for your twitch channel that you play Albion on? Problematic as Twitch overlay creation is often sold as a commercial service for real money and the person doing the work is not a friend or guild mate.
      Mind clarifying these usecases?

      @Talion
      These are good questions and they also outline what problematic "fringe cases" can actually look like.

      See the comments in red above.

      Note that none of your examples above is what we'd call a "clear violation". A key reason why we have to look at these fringe cases carefully - and with caution - is that we are concerned about someone trying to use any of those as a loophole in order to set up something that very clearly goes against the spirit and intention of the no RMT rule.
    • Hello,

      As an addition to the general statements:

      The operation of Amphoras, formerly AlbionCasino, is explicitly prohibited in any and all forms, as they are, among other things, found in continued violation of clauses 4.5.1 and 13.2 of our Terms and Conditions.

      In particular, the site encourages users to deposit siphoned energy in their third party wallet. Also, it’s actively and aggressively being promoted through a special sign up bonus.

      Finally, we have also discovered that a faked customer service screenshot is being distributed on their Discord that incorrectly states that we had allowed their services. This is not the case.

      The organizers are still allowed and encouraged to pay back what people paid into the service, however are expressly forbidden to take new pay-ins and to continue operation.

      -Talion
      Losing my insanity would mean I'm losing everything: the dreams where I can fly.
    • Talion wrote:


      You cannot pay real cash for in-game stuff, and you cannot pay in-game currency/items/etc for real world stuff. This covers goods and services.

      -Talion
      Thank you for this great news. I have one question: If I buy Gold with real money cash and then sell it in game for silver, and then buy weapons / fame tomes, isn't it exactly what you are saying is not possible in Albion?
    • Horin wrote:

      Talion wrote:

      You cannot pay real cash for in-game stuff, and you cannot pay in-game currency/items/etc for real world stuff. This covers goods and services.

      -Talion
      Thank you for this great news. I have one question: If I buy Gold with real money cash and then sell it in game for silver, and then buy weapons / fame tomes, isn't it exactly what you are saying is not possible in Albion?
      The best answer I have for you is: Where are you buying that gold?
    • LordSilva wrote:

      Horin wrote:

      Talion wrote:

      You cannot pay real cash for in-game stuff, and you cannot pay in-game currency/items/etc for real world stuff. This covers goods and services.

      -Talion
      Thank you for this great news. I have one question: If I buy Gold with real money cash and then sell it in game for silver, and then buy weapons / fame tomes, isn't it exactly what you are saying is not possible in Albion?
      The best answer I have for you is: Where are you buying that gold?
      Well, in Albion store / shop :)


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    • Horin wrote:

      Talion wrote:

      You cannot pay real cash for in-game stuff, and you cannot pay in-game currency/items/etc for real world stuff [FROM ANYONE OTHER THAN SBI]. This covers goods and services.

      -Talion
      Thank you for this great news. I have one question: If I buy Gold with real money cash and then sell it in game for silver, and then buy weapons / fame tomes, isn't it exactly what you are saying is not possible in Albion?
      There I fixed it for you, so you can understand Horin.... It's about third party transactions because ownership of virtual assets belongs to SBI. No one *other than them* can sell *their* things.
    • Zalrenic wrote:

      Horin wrote:

      Talion wrote:

      You cannot pay real cash for in-game stuff, and you cannot pay in-game currency/items/etc for real world stuff [FROM ANYONE OTHER THAN SBI]. This covers goods and services.

      -Talion
      Thank you for this great news. I have one question: If I buy Gold with real money cash and then sell it in game for silver, and then buy weapons / fame tomes, isn't it exactly what you are saying is not possible in Albion?
      There I fixed it for you, so you can understand Horin.... It's about third party transactions because ownership of virtual assets belongs to SBI. No one *other than them* can sell *their* things.
      I see! Now its clear to me. Thanks :)
    • Korn wrote:

      Bogul wrote:


      • Giving a guild member 1 million silver for his time to deliver food to a hideout? Absolutely fine.
      • Giving a guild member a subsidiary payment to fund his premium through Silver for spending 80% of his "game-time" recruiting members to the guild and talking to people on Discord? Fine
      • Giving a guild member 1 million silver for his time spent making and managing the guild discord? Fine
      • Giving a guild member 1 million silver for his time spent making the guild logo that is used on a website that has ads enabled? Fine

      These are good questions and they also outline what problematic "fringe cases" can actually look like.
      [...] A key reason why we have to look at these fringe cases carefully - and with caution - is that we are concerned about someone trying to use any of those as a loophole in order to set up something that very clearly goes against the spirit and intention of the no RMT rule.
      I have a fringe case I need clarified.

      Question of whether this would be allowed under TOS.


      (1) My guild has an "econ" team that is responsible for generating silver via various market activities to cover guild expenses.
      (2) These activities are supported by out of game analysis tools
      (3) Previously, the team shared profits on the honor system
      (4) I want to move to them paying silver upfront to encourage more competitive behavior.
      (5) for their money, they are guaranteed that no other member of the team competes in their niche.

      I want to make sure that his is not against TOS as a grey area RMT violation, as it "smells like" paying silver for access to out of game tools. The market activities are accelerated very heavily by use of the guild's tools, and people not participating in the project do not get access.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Zalrenic ().

    • Zalrenic wrote:

      I have a fringe case I need clarified.
      Question of whether this would be allowed under TOS.


      (1) My guild has an "econ" team that is responsible for generating silver via various market activities to cover guild expenses.
      (2) These activities are supported by out of game analysis tools
      (3) Previously, the team shared profits on the honor system
      (4) I want to move to them paying silver upfront to encourage more competitive behavior.
      (5) for their money, they are guaranteed that no other member of the team competes in their niche.

      I want to make sure that his is not against TOS as a grey area RMT violation, as it "smells like" paying silver for access to out of game tools. The market activities are accelerated very heavily by use of the guild's tools, and people not participating in the project do not get access.

      Hey there, the case you described above is fine as it's considered as an in-game payment for an activity that is 100% in-game related. So for example, an analysis of in-game markets also falls under this.

      Mytherceria#3744