Vile Curse UP

Theat · Apr 8th 2020, 10:41am

Make it un-cleanseable

Allow Curse tree viability in PVP, instead of one helmet defeats your whole class (Guardian Helmet)

McDobs · Apr 8th 2020, 11:51am

Agreed also allowing vile-curse or another curse like mechanic to scale procs duration or interval with IP would be a nice addition, and a cheese to make curse players go full spec.

Also cleansing the main mechanic of a weapon should be totally fine but it should be punishable, like you cleanse it alright but you take a percentage of the remaining damage.

Borbarad · Apr 9th 2020, 9:07pm

If you were to do that, you would need to change the one hand staff E - as that´s so strong it´s next to broken.

E - 15 seconds cooldown, insanely high damage, not a skillshot, not reflectable. Add there refreshing sprint with shoes to stack up Qs quickly, use assassin hood, and you DESTROY people. It would be almost as op as light crossbow is.

Very hard to make curses more balanced.

Tabor · Apr 10th 2020, 12:18am

Borb 1h curse bomb has shit tons of counters including at least one available in EVERY armor slot. Listed below. With all these counters available including the fact 1h curse needs to play close range compared to other range classes it is balanced. Guardian helm needs to go it is a shit item that destroys balance.

Helm: Cleric cowl and soldier helm
Body: Cleric robe
Feet: Assassin and royal shoes

With all these options available people have plenty of flexibility to have builds that can easily compete against curse even if guardian helm is removed/tweaked.

Hollywoodi · Apr 10th 2020, 12:06pm

Theat wrote:

Make it un-cleanseable

Allow Curse tree viability in PVP, instead of one helmet defeats your whole class (Guardian Helmet)

then 2H curse is OP AF

Rhodesia · Apr 10th 2020, 12:21pm

I agree. My favorite build so far is 1h curse. PVE and PVP. I just joined the game a week ago or so. And i've tried a ton of builds, with re-specs. Originally started with bow of Badon, Warbow, daggers, claws, bloodletter. So many people use guardian helmet.

under powered compared to other builds, imo.

Hollywoodi · Apr 10th 2020, 4:59pm

Yes but if we accept gear swap and counterplay

Reduce CD and manacost of VC ..and buff grudge slightly ..not to the old, but something in between

But to be honest, curse without a counter ready is same as bow, same as carving u are dead ..

Tabor · Apr 10th 2020, 5:22pm

Vile stacks are curses basic attack and are not OP. Stacking grudge and vile is what makes it strong and grudge can and should be purgeable (so that works). You cannot look at long 2s HG fights as all of the game balance. Before guardian helm curse was strong in 2s but was still quite beatable. Also curse strength relays on close sustained combat battles so disengaging is another annoying counter that all curses deal with.

Owlsane · Apr 11th 2020, 6:26pm

Theat wrote:

Make it un-cleanseable

Allow Curse tree viability in PVP, instead of one helmet defeats your whole class (Guardian Helmet)

Agree completely.

But if this has to be done i would monitor 1h curse to see if it should come back as reflectible spell for balancing purpose.

Tabor · Apr 11th 2020, 6:50pm

As a 1h curse player I would be more than fine with that trade off. Make vile stacks unpurgeable via guardian helm but also make bomb reflectable again. Of course for consistency ALL damage abilities should technically be reflectable. Never made much sense the ones they pick and choose not to be.

Owlsane · Apr 11th 2020, 7:19pm

Tabor wrote:

As a 1h curse player I would be more than fine with that trade off. Make vile stacks unpurgeable via guardian helm but also make bomb reflectable again. Of course for consistency ALL damage abilities should technically be reflectable. Never made much sense the ones they pick and choose not to be.

If it was something along with the "artifacts are special weapons so they have this treatment" i would be ye ok sure why not.

But actually the choices of what is reflectible and what is not i don't get it.

Theat · Apr 11th 2020, 7:25pm

No other weapon in this game is hard-countered by a measly helmet... it's an embarrassment of game design and balance, and has gone on for far too long now.

Imagine a helmet that gave "fire immunity for 10 seconds AND a group heal" on a 30 second cooldown. That would be what guardian helmet is to curse staff.

Idebenn · Apr 11th 2020, 7:42pm

I don't even use Death Curse myself and the helmet is still just as awful to deal with.

A simple change like making it drop half of the DoT stacks instead of removing them entirely, would go a long way.

Theat · Apr 11th 2020, 10:50pm

It should only remove one tick of DOTs, not all of them, good idea

Kayl · Apr 12th 2020, 10:18am

Owlsane wrote:

Tabor wrote:

As a 1h curse player I would be more than fine with that trade off. Make vile stacks unpurgeable via guardian helm but also make bomb reflectable again. Of course for consistency ALL damage abilities should technically be reflectable. Never made much sense the ones they pick and choose not to be.

If it was something along with the "artifacts are special weapons so they have this treatment" i would be ye ok sure why not.
But actually the choices of what is reflectible and what is not i don't get it.

its for zvz

id prefer death curse to stay unreflectable.
someone mentioned great curse being too strong with unpurgeable vile curse, not sure about that.
to be safe i think guardian helmet cleansing only 2 stacks would be a viable compromise.

its still strong considering u negate a lot of E dmg from a weapon that has such a long "attention window" anyway

Hollywoodi · Apr 12th 2020, 11:22am

What bugs me on guardian helmet, and what we exploit is it heals better than most healers..

On mage robe it is 470 heal AOE without stand time, no Mana cost..

With CD food u do 2.5 per minute

On a 2 Man team, that is a total heal of roughly 5 K HP per minute..

Seriously, that is rough, but on top negate all dots AOE.. either OR but not both .. compare that with GG heal helm..Welp!

Akhenaden · Apr 12th 2020, 6:32pm

If you remove the purification from the guardian's helmet, at least put a visible timer on when the 1h curse is going to explode, because not all of us are blessed with good ping my friends.

Tabor · Apr 12th 2020, 7:24pm

You mean the giant fucking red skull on your head is not enough of a visual??

Kayl · Apr 13th 2020, 10:19am

Akhenaden wrote:

If you remove the purification from the guardian's helmet, at least put a visible timer on when the 1h curse is going to explode, because not all of us are blessed with good ping my friends.

u have the laughing skull
u have the symbol on ur buff bar
u could even count down from 5? when its cast on you

meanwhile i have no idea when direct dmg weapon will use big instant burst E ...
and u want more pampering?
honestly SBI should just remove any dot spells and delete curse line while handing out equivalent fame credits ...

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