Current state of Gathering

    • Current state of Gathering

      Hey everyone, let's talk about Gathering

      We have received a lot of negative feedback about the state of gathering since the launch of Queen.

      But before we make any further changes, we would like to get a better idea of your thoughts and experience of gathering right now. It would be very helpful if you could reply by answering to the following questions:

      1) How do you like the current state of gathering?
      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)
      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)
      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?
      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?
      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?

      The more detailed your response the more it helps us understand how to improve the situation for you.

      Cheers,
      Retro
    • tbh after a few run with empty T7 maps i was worried by the change (and post a negative feedback) but i have to said after a few days that it is not so bad.
      I'm mostly a hide gatherer, as a solo player i leave from bridgewatch and usualy go for T7 nodes and maps. I also do some T8 run when i feel it but they are very risky as they are so far in the middle and unless i can go in the morning nodes are usualy empty. But i'm ok with T8 being hard to obtain + i'm solo so it's like hardcore mode when no alliance m8 or guildm8 are here to help, without any hideout or territorys to hide and when every encounter is a death menace. I bet being a gatherer in ARCH is way more easy ;D . But as i said it's fine as it's my choice and T8 shouldn't be easy to gather.
      Using T8 gear, no avalonian tools cause they're to expensive imo.
      But i am lucky enough to be able to gather at times where there's not to many players online, i would never go gather at prime time in T7 or T8 bz as it's way too dangerous + nodes are farm by the gather of guilds owning terri/hideout and empty so it could be a problem for others.
      I would said that finaly patch 5 did not change my experience, not better or worst as far as i'm concern.
    • Context: I myself have been playing for the last 5 months, I'm a casual player, dipping a toe in everything (small/largescale pve/pvp, farming, crafting, refining, and of course gathering) from time to time. I'm mainly here to have fun 2-3 hours a day after work.

      1) How do you like the current state of gathering?

      I'm mainly a black zone gatherer, and I don't, not at all, since Queen. I rarely go out gather anymore.

      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?

      The main difference: I get ganked a LOT more, mostly in the portal zones. I either can't come back, or can't even go out. The times I don't encounter a zerg of portal gankers, I come across a lot of hostiles in T6-7 zones. Dungeon divers mostly, but they don't mind killing gatherers of course.

      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)

      I always come and go from Bridgewatch.

      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)

      T5-6-7 desert zones, primarily. In primetimes I don't even try the T7 zones. I stick to zones around the portals so I don't have to go through 8-9 zones to get my stuff back after 30 minute of gathering (at which point my 6.1 bag is full).

      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?

      T6, though I could wear T7. I just don't really encounter a lot of T7 nodes, and T7 zones are often too dangerous for me to lose even more money if I get ganked.

      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?

      Camping gankers. The fact that a lot of people are packed around the portal zones, which in part is understandable, but I am not yet convinced that moving to a hideout, or an outland city, is in any way financially beneficial for me. Mostly due to station fees, lower or no resource return rate, wacky prices and much lower consistent demand for resources and crafted items. I will probably stick to Bridgewatch for a good while, until economy establishes itself.
      In the meantime, having back the 4 zone exits like before queen would be wonderful so that whole guilds would not sit and wait there.... that would indeed be wonderful.

      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?

      Not much, as I said I rarely gather T7 or T8.
      Developer by day, gatherer by night.

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    • 1) it's so bad that i stopped gathering. I can't even consistently find T6 resource nodes. Everytime I tried it felt like a waste of time.

      2) I can't even fill T5 journals in 1 pork pie anymore. I used to easily fill at least three T6 journals before. Now I have to walk waaay to much to find one or another node, if lucky. Doesn't feel good at all.

      3) Sometimes from Martlock. Other times from Archganistan hideouts (T6-T8 zones).

      4) T6-T8 zones. Not so deep in the center, but around.

      5) T7-T8 gear for better yields. But yeah, atm, not worth the risk at all. Since there's nothing to gather, there's nothing to increase the yields from. lol.

      6) Too much running around with nothing. nada. or close to that. Before Queen I could just run from Mercia portals to Circling Vulture back and forth, no problem.

      7) I completely stopped gathering fiber (my highest gathering spec). Then tried to switch to T5 stone just for the convenience of being locked at Blue portals which have plenty of rocks near it. However, recently the prices rocketed down, so I stopped doing that as well.
    • 1) How do you like the current state of gathering?
      I feel like the game is recieving a lot of new players and up to t5 maps are a little clustered, specially t5 is getting hard to farm.
      I am not a main gatherer, I do some rock and hide but mostly my fame comes for pve.

      That being said, i think gathering should be buffed for each zone tier.
      It's easy to get ganked while gathering, specially hide that u need to kill the mobs, and to spend time to kill 1 mob and it drops only 1 resource is pretty sad.

      If I may, I would just change the node quantity and respawn rate like this:
      Blue zones: as it is.

      Yellow zones: 1.2x respawn rate and quantity (like granite would have 6 instead of 5)

      Red zones: 1.7x respawn rate and quantity (like granite would have 8 instead of 5)

      Black zones: 2x respawn rate and quantity (like granite would have 10 instead of 5)


      This way it would be worth the risk and the blackzones and redzone would be alittle more populated by the low tier players.

      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      I feell like black zone gathering is a lot more risky, since the portals are being more camped.
      Also t7 and t8 feels like its not getting enough in the market because of the risk.


      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)
      Royal Continent

      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)
      Up to T5 Bridgewatch yellow, red and blackzones and martlock yellow zones.

      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?
      T4 and T5, T5 for safe zones nd T4 for risk ones, as the chance to loss is great. No avalonian since the prices are too high.


      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?
      I believe is refered in question 1.

      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?
      As i do not gather t7 and t8 I cant give aproper opinion in this question.
    • 1) not too bad, portal gankers are always not a fun sight to see when gathering and roam gankers with ravens are certain death but that is a normal risk in the black zone

      2) gathering feels less afk and more active and fun.

      3) it depends on what im gathering and what im going for, example if im trying to get more enchanted resources ima go from an outlands camps but if its just quantity over quality im going to gather more closer to outlands royal city portals.

      4) most of the times i gather in t6 and t7 zones, but i will afcorse go into t8 zones for some t8, and go into t5 zones for a big quantity of t5

      5) i use the highest i can use in the gathering proffesion for the gathering bonus

      6) it feels like t6 isnt as abundunt anymore and t7 and t8 doesnt feel as afk when gathering them and feels more safe

      Let it be known im T8 prospector harvester skinner and lumberjack and ive gathered in fortsterlin thetford and lymhurst
    • 1) How do you like the current state of gathering? It's not bad to collect but the portal is still a problem

      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience? I see a smaller concentration of gankers in black, there are usually more gankers in nearby hideouts. The map seems to be bigger and the resources more spread out

      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?) I usually collect from hideouts of my guild and close allies

      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals) Mostly I collect in the snow on the tier 7 and tier 8 maps of the fort sterling black.

      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier? I use a set tier 8 because of the gathering advantages for this level

      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation? As already mentioned, the portals are very difficult to carry resources and even the entry into black


      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience? For me it had a positive impact since now with resources 3/3 and 23/23 the concentration of tier 7 became more widespread as it is happening in tier 8
    • 1) How do you like the current state of gathering?
      I have absolutely no gripes with gathering in general, I am a gatherer main, with my lowest gathering tier being T6 (including fishing). I did find a huge decrease in my ability and profitability in gathering though as of late, unless I go out to the black zone at 2am, it is simply not worth it to gather, as I have an expected loss every time I go out.

      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      The main difference since Queen is that I now have an expected loss if I go gathering at any time other than 2am in the black zone. Not that I can't gather as before, and find tons of resources... it's just that I can never make it back. Unless I try to bring my gathered resources back at 2am, I have over an 80% chance (based on my sample of experiences, not a global probability) of getting ganked right at the portal, as huge groups just sit camp there. I have died even while having the protective bubble and being within the portal gate, as the groups that stand around (all 3 gates, not just 1) were just so large and had so much cc and walls that they were able to wait out my 30 second shield, then kill me.(Note, at the point where I saw everyone, there was no point in turning back, as they have plenty of scouts that were running along side me, best chance of making it was just getting bubble).

      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)
      I start from a royal city (Thetford).

      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)
      My gathering tiers are T8 fiber, T7 skin, T7 rock, T6 wood, T6 ore, T6 fishing, and I try to gather in areas appropriate to these tiers in the Black zone (typically the T7 zones closer to the portals in the Black zone). Biome doesn't matter much to me, I just go where there seems to be resources.

      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?
      Highest tier possible, for greatest return.

      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?
      Portal Campers.
      It is one thing to try and gank gatherers out while they are gathering, there's some sport in that, especially as a single/duo group of gankers. It is completely different to sit at the portal with a group of 10-20 people for hours and just wait for gatherers and other players to come in. There used to be a little bit of this before the Queen update, which can be expected, but it was never to this extent. All portals are just too close together, and there are too few of them.

      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?
      I have greatly enjoyed it as a gatherer, while I haven't ventured deep enough to get the T8 resource nodes, I have been able to get quite a few of the small T7 nodes thanks to the patch, when before T6 was essentially my limit.
    • Retroman wrote:

      1) How do you like the current state of gathering?

      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)
      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)
      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?
      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?
      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?

      The more detailed your response the more it helps us understand how to improve the situation for you.

      Cheers,
      Retro
      1. made me quit the game after 3 years of full time playing and after reaching above 95 specs on 4 of 5 gathering types.
      2. less pvp chance. less gathered resources. boring as f. this question is replied by a lot of gatherers in another thread. someone can link it.
      3. i quit. but i d go from my guild's hideouts or royal cities. i d prefer the city.
      4. black zone. i wont give names cause i d want those resources to myself.
      5. 4 of 5 types are t8.
      6. back to answer 1. it made me quit and i m having good time with 1v1 age of empires 2 definitive edition. focus on small scale and solo play. i dont wanna mess my time with 15 year olds.
      7. dont know.
    • I'm gathering hide in blackzone . And the experience is really not the same depend on wich hour you play and where you do it. If you have the chance to have accès ton an hideout in some remote area its good and the spawning rate seem acceptable. If you go to much close to any portal area , t7 zone are just strip 24/24 , last time i did i was litterally running 2-4 min of scouting in giant horse before finding 1 3/3 rhino... wich is really borring. Probably just making the respawn speed more quick would be fine. I have stop doing gathering now since its not worth ( t8 gathering gear , avalonian t8 tool , giants horse , pie , book etc.. ) was taking me 1h to get like 200 hide ( 50 mastery in t7 skinning ) . I guess im not the only one since value of gamekeeper t7 full journal have jump from 80k to 140k in last weeks. By the way would be nice if we got the opportunity to raise a laborer to full hapiness in personnal island ... ( its ridiculous that people create fake guild island to achieve it ).

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    • 1) How do you like the current state of gathering? I enjoyed gathering more before the last patch before SBI changed the small T7/8 nodes to spawn fully charged.
      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      If the spawns were more evenly spread out during the day I would be ok with the fully spawned T7/T8 small nodes. As is if you are not logged in right after maintenance, if become more and more difficult to find t7/t8 nodes large or small, Since I a gather right after maintenance, I make a killing. But, within a few hours most spawns are harvested leaving little for other players to harvest. Before the patch, I could normally go into any BZ and fill a bag with small T7/T8 spawns that only had 1 or 2 ticks left. Not anymore,
      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?) From Hideout.
      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals). I gatherer everything and always deep in the Outland center.
      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier? I use T8 gathering sets and Avalonian Tools;most efficient way to gatherer.

      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation? That T7/78 spawns are not spread evenly throughout a 24 hour cycle;
      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience? More competition for the limited T7/T8 large nodes after reset; within hour many zones are already strip. Show up late and you waste time searching for anything.
    • 1. As a solo player, gathering itself is great. I'm able to get access to more T8 and T7 nodes than ever before, and finding a large/23 tick node is exciting.
      2. Able to find more T7 and T8 nodes. A lot more difficult to get access to the BZ because of portal gank squads of 6 - 10 players. Very difficult to get back to a royal city with the resources due to portal gank squads.
      3.Originally tried to start gathering from a royal city, but it was almost impossible to get in or out of BZ. Eventually had to join a guild with a Hideout in the BZ. So, now I start from the Hideout.
      4.Mostly gather in all royals RZ. I gather T7 and T8 in BZ swamps and mountains closest to portals.
      5. I use T7 gathering gear and T8 tools, because, in my opinon, the cost versus the rewards are more favorable for T7 gear.
      6. It is virtually impossible to get in and out of the portal zone without getting ganked by a zerg of enemy players.
      7. More access to T7 and T8 resources.
    • 1) How do you like the current state of gathering?

      I used to only exclusively gather t5/t6 because t7/t8 was impossible to find during my play hours since it was all already gathered, in my year of playing i maybe saw a total of 10 t7 nodes at best and 1 or 2 t8 nodes solo. By solo I mean im not in a 20-40 man "gank/zvz" group that's running around combing zones and gathering one t8 node with like 10 people. Now I can gather quite a bit of t6-t8 and a few big nodes and several small nodes every time i log on.

      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?

      I can actually gather a nice chunk of t7/t8 while i also feel like t6 is way more accessible. Unless you were deep in the BZ before queen you rarely ever saw a t6 mob that had more than 1 tick on it

      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)


      Hideout

      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)

      Desert/Forest T7/T8 Zones. Not that deep, 5-6 zones.

      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?

      Tier 8 gathering gear and a t8 avalonian tool simply because it gives the most gathering yield bonus and it pays for itself quite quickly

      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?


      How hard it is to get materials back to town without a massive escort but this is a player created issue and not something you should try to fix because its just part of playing a full loot pvp game. Now that hideouts are getting worked up I can finally refine and craft some t7 without going to town anyway.

      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?

      I used to mass gather T5 because it was the most available and fairly uncontested resource and I made all of my money through the sheer bulk I was gathering. I think making the t7 small nodes always spawn full is a good thing, even if the timer is longer. I still see these nodes all the time and there's a good chance you will see at least one up in a zone at any given time. Now I primarily focus on T6 and T7 which I feel like is in good abundance now. I'm not getting an insane amount of T7/T8 but its way above what I was getting previous to queen. Keep in mind though that this experience was radically different when i moved away from major cities that mega alliances live at. In those zones you have way too many people going for the same resources and you have to run very very far from town to find good nodes. I would say that people in those alliances have a really bad experience with gathering and are the most vocal opposition to the change for that reason. My previous guild formed up 20-40 man gank/ZvZ groups to go to the high tier BZs and gathering all the t7/t8 they could find prior to queen. I don't think thats really necessary anymore if you're willing to run many zones. The BZ is so huge now that seeing anyone after you run about 5-6 zones away from portal is a super rare occurrence unless they have a hideout nearby or are running to a ZvZ.
    • 1) How do you like the current state of gathering?
      Dead for casual players. I've been playing on/off since shortly before full launch and do a bit of everything without being hardcore and started running a small guild since this patch.

      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      Less nodes but understandable with increase in players, that isn't too bad. For a casual or solo player I'm now locked out of Black zone by the amount of gankers, again somewhat understandable and will stabalise. Major issue is red zones are also dead, yesterday I was hunted down across 2 zones by an organsised group of 15-20 from the same alliance. It's borderline unplayable. I accept the occasional death but its riidiculous.

      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)
      Mainly Martlock

      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)
      Literally locked into Yellow, because of the extreme ganking now, can no longer go into Red/Black zones

      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?
      4/5 curently but should be 6 and some 7 but I cant BECAUSE OF THE GANKING

      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?
      That you wont make bold Alliance changes and restrict their numbers, thats the source of the issue. It doesn't matter how good your mount is or skill level if they have organised group of 15+ your chances of escape are minimal. A zerg damage debuff means nothing when 15 people all drop some form of stun lock on you in turn then they can keep you there while there 10pts of damage rack up until you are dead.....

      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?
      Without some major changes soon I doubt I'll be playing for much longer. I'd be happy to let black zone issues settle in if you solved Alliances and all the knock on effect on other areas like basic gathering.
    • Retroman wrote:

      Hey everyone, let's talk about Gathering

      We have received a lot of negative feedback about the state of gathering since the launch of Queen.

      But before we make any further changes, we would like to get a better idea of your thoughts and experience of gathering right now. It would be very helpful if you could reply by answering to the following questions:

      1) How do you like the current state of gathering?
      It is fantastic, much better as before, you meet so many people and have social interactions. The best experience is around the portal at martlock. The people there are so friendly that they even carry your things home for you. It is really amazing and a blast
      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      More social interaction, more often having a great time on horse simulation which is awesome for interbanking and the cool and refreshing meeting with the nice people at the portals.
      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)
      Martlock
      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)
      6-8
      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?
      I use no gathering gear, just the tool. If the lots of people I meet have better fashion than me, they always want to have my gear to see if it fits them..
      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?
      That anything might change and I no more enjoy it
      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?
      Not at all

      The more detailed your response the more it helps us understand how to improve the situation for you.

      Cheers,
      Retro
    • I've been gathering recently and its all gucci, plenty of farmable mats, only issue I could see is for solo players, mainly playing out of royal cities without access to a hideout having trouble getting out and getting back to desired clusters but I think this will be addressed with the portal camping fixes that may come.
    • Retroman wrote:





      1) How do you like the current state of gathering?


      I dont like it, to much risk vs reward because distances toward T6


      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?


      Longer traveling times towards T6 resources mainly.


      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)


      Lymhurst


      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)


      Fiber, Wood and Hides mainly all T6-7 closest biomes toward portal.


      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?


      In Royals i use T7 full gathering gear, in Outlands PvP gear except for T7 Wood and Fiber, then i use a combination of "anti-gank/escaping" gear.


      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?


      Portal and gate campers in huge numbers without a chance to escape (stunlocked to death)


      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?


      Just after maintenance is the best chance to find T7-8, but 2 hours later most full spawns are gone just like it was before Queen, but the smaller nodes are a welcome addition even when you find mostly 1/3
    • Retroman wrote:

      1) How do you like the current state of gathering?
      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)
      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)
      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?
      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?
      7) How did the patch 5 resource change affect your experience?

      1) Ich habe seit dem Queen-Update so gut wie gar nicht mehr gesammelt. Mir gefällt es gar nicht.
      2) Ich habe alle Werkzeuge auf T8 gebracht und war immer froh, wenn ich in Ruhe T6 sammeln konnte und teilweise T7 gefunden habe. Aber mit der Neuverteilung der Ressourcen, habe ich das Gefühlt, dass es weniger T6 gibt. Außerdem finde ich es sehr blöd, dass man in Terrys nichts mehr ablegen kann.
      3) Vom Hideout.
      4) Meistens Stoff im Sumpf und Wüsten-Biom
      5) Immer T8, um einen höheren Bonus zu bekommen.
      6) Ich finde es komplett falsch, dass es auch die kleinen Ressourcen im Black gibt. das sollte wieder rückgängig gemacht werden und T5-T8 im Schwarzen und T1-T4 im royalen. Dadurch finden auch mehr Transporte statt.
      7) Es ist besser, aber die kleinen T7/T8-Pflanzen nerven mich. Lieber große Pflanzen mit mehr Inhalt, als ganz oft kleine.
    • 1>very bad
      2>there is no gathering experience unless you get on after daily maintenance if you work then no experience
      3>outlands
      4>t8 & t7 snow zones close to arthurs rest
      5>t8 best I can use still waiting for t9
      6>empty nodes nothing to gather
      7>no change
      I am t8 ore gather 100/100 t8 , 100/100 t7,100/100 t6, 100/100 t5, 89/100 t4.
      played from beta this is worst time ever in game for me to be gather
      before queen gathering was fun not any more.