Current state of Gathering

    • Retroman wrote:

      Hey everyone, let's talk about Gathering

      We have received a lot of negative feedback about the state of gathering since the launch of Queen.

      But before we make any further changes, we would like to get a better idea of your thoughts and experience of gathering right now. It would be very helpful if you could reply by answering to the following questions:

      1) How do you like the current state of gathering?
      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)
      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)
      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?
      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?
      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?

      The more detailed your response the more it helps us understand how to improve the situation for you.

      Cheers,
      Retro
      1. Gathering has been dead since Queen -- running around a t7/t8 map and finding 90% nodes empty and then the other 10% being 1 tick is not rewarding either $$ or enjoyment wise.
      2. There are way less resources to be found in all maps, especially t7/t8 -- also the idea of putting t2/t3 in the blackzone did not pan out.
      3. Either a hideout or a royal city -- usually go to the middle of the map t7/t8 zones.
      4. Wood/Skin/Stone
      5. No need for gathering gear anymore as 90% of the time spent gathering is now spent riding a horse/avoiding gankers/ganking
      6. Gathering used to be a way for ANYONE to make $$ even as a solo player while also being enjoyable and having a good amount of risk/reward... no longer is this the case.
      7. No difference, possibly worse

      Just return gathering to the way it was pre queen --

      T5/T6 Zone = t4-t6 resources
      T7 Zone = t5-t7
      T8 zone = t6-t8

      and increase the amount of nodes and how many ticks they contain.
    • 1) Very hard. if you dont have enought time for see one map all the day you will miss the resources.
      2)The main is dont see nodes for gather... level 7 and 8 are hard to find. like one big each week. playing 4 hours each day.
      3) I start from hideouts.
      4) main i gather on tier 8 swamp or tier 6-7 mountain.
      5) i use tier 8, its for gather faster tier 8 and the lowest.
      6) Dont find some rss in the low time i play. for find some node i need play lot of hours.
      7) I switch to find other ways for win silver. And dont like focus on other gathering resources until i can find more resources. I dont like waste 3 weeks for be T8 and cant gather T8 because i dont find them
    • 1) its mostly dead. pre-queen, a casual gatherer like me could bring a skinning knife on a ganking roam through the bz and fill my bag with decent stuff pretty easily. now its a wasteland out there. the t5 zones are completely full because they suck and anything higher tier aka valuable is stripped clean at all times
      2) i gathered very casually pre-queen and now i dont at all
      3) toss a skinning knife in my bag when our alliance goes on roaming gank runs
      4) blackzones, any zone we happen to be in that has what i can gather
      5) i dont generally use gathering gear but sometimes ill toss on a t6 skinning cap because thats the max level i can use
      6) gathering is an underpinning core concept of the entire black zone experience. it used to work like this. t7 or t8 zone has resources > gatherers are there throughout the day > gankers show up and try to kill them > rival gank squads fight each other > larger zerg forces respond to the fighting > fighting continues to escalate. now, there is no reason to be in a gank squad anywhere but near black zone portals
      7) i didnt notice any changes but once again, im a very casual gatherer. i did notice that there hasnt been any change in the number of gatherers around the zones we patrol/gank
    • Retroman wrote:

      Hey everyone, let's talk about Gathering

      We have received a lot of negative feedback about the state of gathering since the launch of Queen.

      But before we make any further changes, we would like to get a better idea of your thoughts and experience of gathering right now. It would be very helpful if you could reply by answering to the following questions:

      1) How do you like the current state of gathering?
      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)
      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)
      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?
      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?
      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?

      The more detailed your response the more it helps us understand how to improve the situation for you.

      Cheers,
      Retro
      1. It's boring - i stop gathering,
      2. Map 1 - empty, Map 2 - empty, Map3 - a little bit, map4 - a little bit, portal zone - upps - I'm down
      3. Hideout
      4. Blackzone (T6/7/8 wood)
      5. T8 - my last set
      6. What can i say - i find nothing (not enough) in my prime time, running around for nothing, transport Hideout-Royal City - uups - I'm down
      7. I'm a grinder, i like it to gather after a long workday, but now - I'm looking for a new game after 2 1/2 years
    • Retroman wrote:

      Hey everyone, let's talk about Gathering

      We have received a lot of negative feedback about the state of gathering since the launch of Queen.

      But before we make any further changes, we would like to get a better idea of your thoughts and experience of gathering right now. It would be very helpful if you could reply by answering to the following questions:

      1) How do you like the current state of gathering?
      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)
      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)
      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?
      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?
      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?

      The more detailed your response the more it helps us understand how to improve the situation for you.

      Cheers,
      Retro
      1) The current state of gathering is okay. I love the changes to make all T7/T8 nodes full on spawn and would love to have all resource nodes be like that.
      Unfortunately one thing I dislike is the lack of aspects and the rewards they yield. Getting a 5 man group trying to kill a T6 aspect yields 500 T6 resource which is very little and not worth the amount of effort you have to put into it. I think this number should be buffed to about 1000 with double the harvest speed. Otherwise maybe dropping faction or hearts or something could be something to look into. There should be T7/T8 aspect equivalents.
      2) Gathering has gotten more annoying now since all the high tier resource nodes are very far from portals. I'm not sure if this is completely bad as it has made gathering much more lucrative compared to before.
      3) I start from Bridgewatch portal and head all the way to Arthur's rest then to hideout to farm T7/T8 hides. Quite a long journey!
      4) I gather mostly T8 hides deep in the BZ.
      5) I use T8 gear with avalonian knife. It Would be nice if I could enchant the knife or gear for increased bonus yield rate...
      6) I dislike how far I am from portals. Most hideouts don't have T8 crafting stations so I'm reliant on transporting everything all the way back. Travelling +6 zones is annoying when I want to carry 500 T8 hides. I'm not sure how I would feel about BZ cities becoming more "useful".
      7) gathering got harder but also more lucrative.

      Additional comments:
      Although this is my personal opinion, I personally dislike how easily accessible armor and weapons are from crafting and PvE. I spend alot of time getting my speciality from gathering, refining and crafting up but it doesn't feel very advantageous. Right now there is no incentive to make good gear, instead it's about making as much gear as possible.

      I would love there to be more viable solutions for crafting specialist to make high quality gear instead of mass production gear.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by OceanSpirit ().

    • 1) How do you like the current state of gathering?
      I'll start with one important thing. Gathering wasn't my main focus in the game, I did it few times a week to get some silver out of it. I've never had a problem with gankers and even if - that's a part of the game. This is multiplayer game, not singleplayer, so every time I needed help transporting my stuff I asked for help or hired scout.


      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      Aaand right now it's... it's hard to describe because when I finish my work (yeah, I can't sit in albion 24/7) I want to gather something before some events happen... I simply can't. There is nothing to gather. I was fine gathering in one place, that was always enough for me to run circles around the map. Now it's AFK game. Do circle, find nothing, wait 20 minutes, repeat. Maybe I will be lucky to find at least one node with 2 ticks. That was not the case prequeen. And even back then I hoped for some update which make gathering more fun.

      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)
      HO.

      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)
      T8 Zones.

      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?
      T8 gear, depends on my needs or what I have in bank, doesn't really matter, every gathering gear for the resources in specific zone will do the job.

      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?
      I want to gather, there is nothing to gather.

      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?
      Worst update gathering-wise ever? Like, it was almost impossible to gather before the patch, now it's even worse. Putting T6 resources on T8 zones feels awkward. I'd like this change reverted and see only t7 and t8 resources. But I can live with it. All I really want is nodes back. I just want to gather that's all. The idea of splitting ticks - I get it, now I have a chance to gather before some 400/400 gatherer comes and pick all the shit. So... why revert it and make it even more unaccessible? Before that patch I had at least a chance to get 1/2 tick (still, that's a joke but u need to make your way for living) from t8 node few times per hour. Now I'm lucky if I have these 2ticks per hour.


      This is sandbox game, it feels like market is being manipulated by updates too much. T8 resources are precious now, so unless you are not gonna bank it for you guild you will sell it with great profit. Higher prices of resources = higher prices of items =! people gonna buy tons of gold for real money. Not a fair way.

      Also. I wasn't that much excited by queen itself, but I didn't know game will become so boring and riding simulator.
      You want to fix problems with ganking on portals, do you think they will start ganking across the zones? Riding 10 zones back and forth to find someone on that big-axx map? I don't. Prequeen people used to gank on T8 zones around CV.

      Just stop making changes randomly.
    • 1) How do you like the current state of gathering? I haven't done much gathering since the Queen update, mostly because of the other new content. But the few times I've gone it has been pretty quiet/dead versus the old T8 zones.

      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience? The biggest difference is the lack of gankers in gathering zones now. I don't even see that many gatherer's, but because most of the T7/T8 zones I go to are devoid of gankers, most of the resources end up getting stripped by what I assume is a very small number of gatherers.

      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?) Sometimes from a royal city, otherwise from our hideout.

      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals) I gather in the T7 and T8 zones around Lymhurst in all biomes (T8 in all gathering). We're located between the Lym portal and Merlyn's rest.

      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier? T8, it has the highest resource returns and is the fastest...

      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation? So as it's currently next to impossible for non-major guilds to get hideouts down closer to the center of the map, there are no more warcamps or storage areas and these zones can be 10+ zones from the portal zones. This essentially creates a monopoly in the area where as a gatherer it doesn't make sense for me to run out there if I have no where I can drop off materials because it won't be worth the time to run all the way out and back. I'd imagine this will change once Avalon is released, however right now I'd assume the center of the map is basically completely uncontested both in terms of gankers and other gatherer's. (This is an assumption, I haven't made an effort to run out there because the distance vs. resource haul just is not worth it to me)

      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience? I greatly prefer getting full tick nodes than the 1/3's we were getting previously. Especially in terms of having to kill the T7 resource monsters, it just felt totally not worth it when you would take all that time to kill one and get a single tick from it.
    • Its not like i said it that gonna happen . oh wait .. i said it 10000 time .


      1-ALL map close to hideout or portal are 100 % depleted or 1/2 1/3 . and respawn suck
      2-Wearing gathering gear made u a kindel surprise , since its not a ganking party all around portal 100 % of time , its stupid to go gather and lose 2 day of gathering in 0.01 sec .

      3- U need walk 2309854092308954320985809089230589328095 map to bring back your stuff , soo GL , if u dont get gank , dont have a group of at least 20 , computer dont crash , not a reset happening , server dont crash , a lighting dont hit your computer or your GF unplug your computer to have SE.. , u will MAYBE made it .

      4- Moving ressource town to town cost 09485093593 ( but u said u will low the cost soo MAYBE )

      5- Carleon is useless has fuck

      6- since EVERYONE is t8 in gathering now , its not a quesiton of MAP but a question of RESPAWN . Also bringing a 4 map with t9 ( exemple here ) can help to made people get to t9 ( made it take 03945809308953 hours to made it ) soo AT LEAST be top gatherer will help .

      7- Listen to gatherer , not to leader of guild or what ever , can help pick better choice.

      8- Since terry are praticly totaly useless for gatehrer now ( because we cant stack ressource here ANYMORE ( thx ) AT LEAST made terry get highter ressource .1 .2 .3

      9 - Warcamp are rare , cant put stuff in it , unless your name is G..... and u use a AFK battle mammouth at warcrap and use it has a chest when the warcrap is full .


      I am t8 gatherer in all , i gather from beta to now , i am top 15 gatherer , was top 1 in beta.86 million fame in gathering
    • 1) How do you like the current state of gathering?
      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?
      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)
      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)
      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?
      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?

      1. First day after Launch were bad, no it is regulated due to different respawn timers. So I can go gather every day and find something.
      2. Before Queen I could play directly after maintenance. So I was able to gather everything, no more advantage right now.
      3. Hideout from Valon/Zorn - simple zero reds, only competition with own gatherer
      4. T6 - T8 Near Hideouts
      5. T8 for sure -
      6. Every with 1 month or more sticking into gathering can gather everything. Easier to stay in city, buy per buy oder, refine and craft/sell. No gathering needed
      7. Better for me cause T6 is abandoned so I can fill me book for my labourer easier and can find highend ressources too. 3/3 is great too. Killing mobs for 1/3 sucked hard

      For me, Member of a guild with hideouts in high BZ is fine. No one is coming and i can do what I want. No one is going from FS to T8 zone and back because it is waste of time. Everything is depleted and even if you gather good stuff you have to fear the ganker in every Portalzone.

      Zorn sucht ambitionierte Spieler!

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Loonija ().

    • 1) How do you like the current state of gathering?

      I do not enjoy the current state of gathering.

      2) Since Queen, what is the main difference in your gathering experience?

      I gathered in the test server and during the first week of Queen. I thought surely the gathering changes wouldn't make it past the test server.
      For the first 15 days of Queens release, Fishing in tier 7 ocean zones was literally broken. T7 krakens were not dropping, instead we had an increase of t5 normal fish. The fishing market is STILL suffering a MONTH after the 'fix'.
      Before Queen, one could run out with a Tier 7 pie and gather maybe 250-300 total resources in a Tier 7 zone. Now, you are lucky to get 50-75 per pie in the same zone type.
      I feel that with Queens update, the Risk vs Reward scale has tipped in favor of the Risk. Players see this, and they choose not to participate in activities that aren't going to pay out.

      3) From where do you start your gathering? (From an Outpost, a royal city, an outland city...?)

      I typically start my gathering adventures around my guilds hideouts (tier 8 zones). I run around for 20 minutes of my pies duration realizing that there is nothing to gain, so I log out and log into a character I have that stays in the city.
      I load this character up with the essentials, and enjoy the rest of my evening in a tier 5 yellow zone.

      4) Where do you gather? (What tier and what biome, deep in the outland center or on the royals)

      I gather predominantly in Hill and Swamp and Forest biomes. Deep in the outland, but these days I find myself around the royals more often than not.

      5) What tier of Gathering Gear do you use? And why this tier?

      I use tier 8 gathering gear as it gives the best gear set bonus to gathered resources. I am also able to craft most gathering gears.

      6) What is your biggest gripe with the current situation?

      I think my biggest issue with this situation is that these gathering changes actually made it out of test server. With resource respawn times as they were, zones were emptied at all hours of the day.
      You would literally be lucky to run a T8 zone 30 minute pie duration and walk out with 150k in raw resources. Never mind the transporting that was involved, to the risk of getting ganked.
      Fishing is still out of whack, I don't think it will ever recover to how it was post queen. SBI, please triple check that fishing drop values for T7+ ocean zones are how they are intended to be.

      7) How did the resource change from Patch 5 impact your experience?

      This is the bread and butter right here. Let's talk about this for a minute.
      PRE PATCH 5 - Resources were farmed to the bone all hours of the day, 1 tick on every T6+ node you saw, if you were lucky.
      POST PATCH 5 - Resource respawn times were DOUBLED for Tier 7, TRIPLED for Tier 8! This was not a fix. This was literally a nerf to an already nerfed gathering system.
      There are 86,400 seconds in a 24 hour time period. According to patch 5, small tier 7 nodes max respawn time is 78300 seconds and small tier 8 nodes max respawn time is 126,600 seconds. This is 35 hours max for a small 8 node!

      I have a total of 22,409,009 gather fame - this puts me at about rank 355 for all time gathering fame.
      I have a total of 6 tier 8 gathering tools unlocked, 2 t7 gathering tools, 1 tier 6 tool, 1 tier 5 tool, and 3 tier 4 tools between my 5 characters.

      Albion is a game about PvP, and risk vs reward. For PvE players like me that do NOT participate in PvP whatsoever, this update was a literal nightmare.

      Queen and Patch 5 was a tip of the scale in favor of Risk. The reward does not currently outweigh the Risk, therefore I will not participate in it.

      I would be a very strong advocate to returning gathering to how it was post queen.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by DangerouslySarah ().

    • wouldnt that just be going back to 1 tick t7 and t8 nodes, and removing t6 nodes in t8 zones (without increasing t7 and t8 spawns?.)
      Is it really a wish to bring the 1 hit nodes back that makes people so riled up?

      Only big difference i have seen is that full time gatherers have issues here, because the changes has created a lot more gatherers, which is what makes the nodes feel more empty.
      Our fulltime gatherers struggle, but those who just do it as one of many playstyles find it totally fine in general.

      One of our guys has 79 million gathering fame, and absolutely hate the changes while many others have taken up gathering as a side thing. I know it sucks for the hardcore gatherers, but im not so sure its really a bad thing for the game as a whole.

      Im a somewhat casual gatherer myself with around 10 mil gathering fame and all t8 tools unlocked, and it fits my playstyle totally fine and i susspect that the ones hurting are mainly full time gatherers (and then some not really understanding the game, and whos main issue is that the 5 top zones Arent connected like prequeen).

      /F

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    • Sinatra.SUN wrote:

      wouldnt that just be going back to 1 tick t7 and t8 nodes, and removing t6 nodes in t8 zones (without increasing t7 and t8 spawns?.)
      Is it really a wish to bring the 1 hit nodes back that makes people so riled up?

      Only big difference i have seen is that full time gatherers have issues here, because the changes has created a lot more gatherers, which is what makes the nodes feel more empty.
      Our fulltime gatherers struggle, but those who just do it as one of many playstyles find it totally fine in general.

      One of our guys has 79 million gathering fame, and absolutely hate the changes while many others have taken up gathering as a side thing. I know it sucks for the hardcore gatherers, but im not so sure its really a bad thing for the game as a whole.

      Im a somewhat casual gatherer myself with around 10 mil gathering fame and all t8 tools unlocked, and it fits my playstyle totally fine and i susspect that the ones hurting are mainly full time gatherers (and then some not really understanding the game, and whos main issue is that the 5 top zones Arent connected like prequeen).

      /F
      It hurts anyone who used to gather as a way to make money or as a way to spend your time.... I know you got like 14 billion so you may not be able to relate, but its hard out here for wally woodcutter and scott the skinner.
    • Sinatra.SUN wrote:

      wouldnt that just be going back to 1 tick t7 and t8 nodes, and removing t6 nodes in t8 zones (without increasing t7 and t8 spawns?.)
      Is it really a wish to bring the 1 hit nodes back that makes people so riled up?

      Only big difference i have seen is that full time gatherers have issues here, because the changes has created a lot more gatherers, which is what makes the nodes feel more empty.
      Our fulltime gatherers struggle, but those who just do it as one of many playstyles find it totally fine in general.

      One of our guys has 79 million gathering fame, and absolutely hate the changes while many others have taken up gathering as a side thing. I know it sucks for the hardcore gatherers, but im not so sure its really a bad thing for the game as a whole.

      Im a somewhat casual gatherer myself with around 10 mil gathering fame and all t8 tools unlocked, and it fits my playstyle totally fine and i susspect that the ones hurting are mainly full time gatherers (and then some not really understanding the game, and whos main issue is that the 5 top zones Arent connected like prequeen).
      I can't see anything wrong with gathering being the main source of silver for someone, gathering is one of game's main aspects so u totally need those full gime gatherers, but since queen gathering can't be main source of someone's silver making now, also the main problem is that u can't log in anytime at the day and just gather as how it used to be, people wait after every reset and clear out all of the resources so if u try to gather at the rest of the day good luck finding t7/8 nodes, pre queen u could just come back from work and log in for an hour and gather without being non-reward vs the risk as now as u gotta go deep and as u said the top 5 zones aren't connected anymore so u need to run alot of zones to go for another one cause u just found this one empty and all of it had empty nodes and then u get ganked cause u are 10 zones deep, so that actually hurts anyone not only the full time gatherers.

      Just get it back as how it was pre queen as there was just no point of changing it anyways.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Devconn ().

    • devcon, considering there is the same amount of resources in the world after and before queen, then what is it you actually want to revert?

      @GluttonySDS i have all savings on another account to make sure i have a grip on economy. I dont have any activity that makes more money than gathering (except ratting other guilds zvz with a bloodletter), and gathering t4-t6 is a great way to make money.

      In fact i will do a 30 minute test now to see 30 minutes of income as i simply think people are totally off here.

      edit 30 minutes gathering under shitty conditions (swiftclaw, lumber gear in a fiber zone, no avalonian, majority nodes 1 hit)
      33 6.1 fiber, 202 6.0 fiber 29 5.1 fiber ,154 t5 fiber ,38 t4 ,3 6.1 hide ,28 t5 hide,9 t4 hide , 20 6.1 w ,94 6.0 woo ,16 5.1 woo ,151 5.0 ,13 4.1 ,95 4.0w, 5000 silver and 4500 stonemask

      totalling 550.000 silver in 30 minutes.

      Is 1 million/hour under bad conditions really a bad amount ? i personally dont think so.

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