​Resource Distribution Changes in the New Outlands​ / Fishing Issues

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    • ​Resource Distribution Changes in the New Outlands​ / Fishing Issues

      As @Thorn-Delwyn mentioned - new thread about the fishing issues in the New Outlands

      The new Resource Distribution Changes in the New Outlands shouldn't affect fishing.

      Thorn-Delwyn wrote:

      No changes to fishing had been made as far as I know.

      After the Queen Update it is now only possible to catch fish of the same tier as the BZ you're fishing in - 2 tiers.

      e.g. in a T6 BZ it is now only possible to catch T4, T5 and T6 common fish and T3 and T5 rare fish.

      Before the Queen Update it was possible to catch T6, T7 and T8 common fish and T3, T5 and T7 rare fish - so the same tier as the BZ you're fishing in + 2 tiers.

      Also the Devs should check the respawn timers of the fishing nodes. I belive they are much longer than before the Update.

      Thanks in advance!

      Some other quotes:

      Unai7 wrote:

      Just got 15 fishes in T6 BZ withouth nodes, 6 tier 4, 6 tier 5 and 3 tier 6. I think its gonna be harder to get T7 rares since we will have to go min T7.

      IXR wrote:

      Can concur that there's something wrong with fishing. Fished for 30+mins in T7 zones and only getting T3/T4/T5 fishes. Previously you wont even get a T3/T4 common in T7 zones.

      The post was edited 2 times, last by Shawesome: added quotes ().

    • So fished in T5 BZ for almost an hour. Only at fishing nodes.

      77 T3 common
      98 T4 common
      78 T5 common

      41 T3 rare
      24 T5 rare

      Pretty sure I would have gotten almost no T3 common, a whole lot less T4 common, some T6/T7 common and a few T7 rares by now before Queen.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by IXR ().

    • Don't forget in the old map, There were maps that were tier 5 and t6 but had t8 mats because of the way the map levels were before t8 mats got moved to open world. This made it so that t5 and t6 zones seem to have +2 tiers in fishing but really it was a t8 resource or t7 resource zone. Now with queen all the zones that have t7 and t8 mats are t7 or t8 zones themselfs therefor there is no more +2 levels higher depending on the tier. Now you just go by the tier of the zone, So for t7 fish you need to be in a tier 7 zone and for t8 fish you must be in a t8 zone. Hope that clears things up!
    • Neef wrote:

      Don't forget in the old map, There were maps that were tier 5 and t6 but had t8 mats because of the way the map levels were before t8 mats got moved to open world. This made it so that t5 and t6 zones seem to have +2 tiers in fishing but really it was a t8 resource or t7 resource zone. Now with queen all the zones that have t7 and t8 mats are t7 or t8 zones themselfs therefor there is no more +2 levels higher depending on the tier. Now you just go by the tier of the zone, So for t7 fish you need to be in a tier 7 zone and for t8 fish you must be in a t8 zone. Hope that clears things up!
      Thorn said there was no changes to fishing.
    • Guilefulwolf wrote:

      Neef wrote:

      Don't forget in the old map, There were maps that were tier 5 and t6 but had t8 mats because of the way the map levels were before t8 mats got moved to open world. This made it so that t5 and t6 zones seem to have +2 tiers in fishing but really it was a t8 resource or t7 resource zone. Now with queen all the zones that have t7 and t8 mats are t7 or t8 zones themselfs therefor there is no more +2 levels higher depending on the tier. Now you just go by the tier of the zone, So for t7 fish you need to be in a tier 7 zone and for t8 fish you must be in a t8 zone. Hope that clears things up!
      Thorn said there was no changes to fishing.
      It was changed for fishing because of the way old zones worked., You don't understand my whole post, The way the old world maps works made fishing change ZONE TIER WISE. In the old map you could be in a t5 or t6 zone and get t8 mats in the new map its not the case, Since when t8 mats were added to the old map the zones around the bosses were already set on a lower tier this made t5 and t6 zones have t8 mats and t7 mats, In the NEW map all zones with t7 and t8 mats are t7 and t8 zones themself, Therefor you cannot get t8 fish from a t5 zone anymore because there isn't t8 resources in lower tier zones anymore. Its pretty simple.

      The post was edited 4 times, last by Neef ().

    • Neef wrote:

      Guilefulwolf wrote:

      Neef wrote:

      Don't forget in the old map, There were maps that were tier 5 and t6 but had t8 mats because of the way the map levels were before t8 mats got moved to open world. This made it so that t5 and t6 zones seem to have +2 tiers in fishing but really it was a t8 resource or t7 resource zone. Now with queen all the zones that have t7 and t8 mats are t7 or t8 zones themselfs therefor there is no more +2 levels higher depending on the tier. Now you just go by the tier of the zone, So for t7 fish you need to be in a tier 7 zone and for t8 fish you must be in a t8 zone. Hope that clears things up!
      Thorn said there was no changes to fishing.
      It was changed for fishing because of the way old zones worked., You don't understand my whole post, The way the old world maps works made fishing change ZONE TIER WISE. In the old map you could be in a t5 or t6 zone and get t8 mats in the new map its not the case, Since when t8 mats were added to the old map the zones around the bosses were already set on a lower tier this made t5 and t6 zones have t8 mats and t7 mats, In the NEW map all zones with t7 and t8 mats are t7 and t8 zones themself, Therefor you cannot get t8 fish from a t5 zone anymore because there isn't t8 resources in lower tier zones anymore. Its pretty simple.
      In the old map in a T5 u could not get T8 fishes even if there was T8 of other resources. It was always map´s tier+2 regardless of the resources found in that map. I.E. in T3 maps there use to be T4-T6 resources but still u couldnt get any fish over T5. It always worked separatelly for fishing.
    • Guilefulwolf wrote:

      Neef wrote:

      Guilefulwolf wrote:

      Neef wrote:

      Don't forget in the old map, There were maps that were tier 5 and t6 but had t8 mats because of the way the map levels were before t8 mats got moved to open world. This made it so that t5 and t6 zones seem to have +2 tiers in fishing but really it was a t8 resource or t7 resource zone. Now with queen all the zones that have t7 and t8 mats are t7 or t8 zones themselfs therefor there is no more +2 levels higher depending on the tier. Now you just go by the tier of the zone, So for t7 fish you need to be in a tier 7 zone and for t8 fish you must be in a t8 zone. Hope that clears things up!
      Thorn said there was no changes to fishing.
      It was changed for fishing because of the way old zones worked., You don't understand my whole post, The way the old world maps works made fishing change ZONE TIER WISE. In the old map you could be in a t5 or t6 zone and get t8 mats in the new map its not the case, Since when t8 mats were added to the old map the zones around the bosses were already set on a lower tier this made t5 and t6 zones have t8 mats and t7 mats, In the NEW map all zones with t7 and t8 mats are t7 and t8 zones themself, Therefor you cannot get t8 fish from a t5 zone anymore because there isn't t8 resources in lower tier zones anymore. Its pretty simple.
      In the old map in a T5 u could not get T8 fishes even if there was T8 of other resources. It was always map´s tier+2 regardless of the resources found in that map. I.E. in T3 maps there use to be T4-T6 resources but still u couldnt get any fish over T5. It always worked separatelly for fishing.
      Hmm, Well my guess it sounds like this isn't the case anymore, Sounds like you must fish like if you were gathering... Like w.e tier you want you must be in that tier zone. So for t8 you must be in a t8 zone. Would make more since. Like I would fish in Elm Wood, which was a t5 zone but I always got fish @ t5 or lower, So are you 100% sure? I never got any t7 fish in elm wood in old map. But I didn't fish a whole lot so Idk, I just know when I would fish in a t6 zone that had t8 I would get t8 fish, So i figured that was the issue.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Neef ().

    • Neef wrote:

      Hmm, Well my guess it sounds like this isn't the case anymore, Sounds like you must fish like if you were gathering... Like w.e tier you want you must be in that tier zone. So for t8 you must be in a t8 zone. Would make more since. Like I would fish in Elm Wood, which was a t5 zone but I always got fish @ t5 or lower, So are you 100% sure? I never got any t7 fish in elm wood in old map. But I didn't fish a whole lot so Idk, I just know when I would fish in a t6 zone that had t8 I would get t8 fish, So i figured that was the issue.
      Im 100% sure. In a T5 zone of the old map u would have catched T5-T7 commons and T3, T5 and T7 rares. Fishing is my main gathering activity. Perhaps it did change to be in tune with the new resources distribution. Lets see what devs say about this.
    • New Issue:

      I just fished for about 30 minutes in the BZ. I just caught one fish per catch. Every now and then there were two but very rare.

      full t8 fisherman gear (stacks were at 10) + t8 avalonian fishing rod

      t8 fisherman 100/95


      Before the update, I had three fish on the hook most of the time.

      EDIT:

      Occurs only when fishing without nodes.

      Nonetheless, wasn't like this before the update.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Shawesome ().

    • Shawesome wrote:

      EDIT:


      Occurs only when fishing without nodes.

      Nonetheless, wasn't like this before the update.
      Even if u bait anywhere we should of get the x2 or x3 fishes at once and not only one since the additional 1 or 2 come from yield bonus. Its the same as when getting wood if u find a tree with only 1 tick u also get more than one depending on ur bonus.

      Hopefully devs give it a check to fishing ASAP.
    • Okay i just went out and tested by myself and definitely something is wrong with fishing in the new BZ world.

      I tested in a T7 map with sea shore which has T5-T7 resources and i not only fished T4 but also f.cking T3 fishes.

      Please take care of this issue ASAP, fishing is as important as any other of the gathering activities. Not only because of being part of the game´s economy but for the big amount of time some of us has spent specializing in it.

      It would be good if u give us at least a first view pronouncement about this issue.

      Thanks in advance.
    • Hey everyone,

      with the Queen update we've standardized how fishing works so you can reliably understand what Tier of fishing is available.

      The Tier of region equates to the maximum Tier of fish you can catch in that region (same as resources and NPCs). The common fish you can catch should always be equal to the region's Tier or up to two Tiers below. The rare fish are any of that region's biome's rare fish up to the region Tier.

      The number of regions available for each Tier of fishing should be similar to before, though changes in the Outland layout may have caused some variation.

      HOWEVER: due to your comment we just found a bug in the setup of Tier 7 Ocean zones: these contained an incorrect chance to generate low Tier fish. This will be fixed in an upcoming patch.

      Thanks for your feedback and reports- we'll keep looking for a bit to see if there are any unintended side effects.


      Note: The sentence "Basically all Outland regions now behave how Mercia's region's behaved before" has been removed, as this is incorrect.
    • Eltharyon wrote:

      Hey everyone,

      with the Queen update we've standardized how fishing works so you can reliably understand what Tier of fishing is available. Basically all Outland regions now behave how Mercia's region's behaved before:

      The Tier of region equates to the maximum Tier of fish you can catch in that region (same as resources and NPCs). The common fish you can catch should always be equal to the region's Tier or up to two Tiers below. The rare fish are any of that region's biome's rare fish up to the region Tier.

      The number of regions available for each Tier of fishing should be similar to before, though changes in the Outland layout may have caused some variation.

      HOWEVER: due to your comment we just found a bug in the setup of Tier 7 Ocean zones: these contained an incorrect chance to generate low Tier fish. This will be fixed in an upcoming patch.

      Thanks for your feedback and reports- we'll keep looking for a bit to see if there are any unintended side effects.
      Thanks for your reply. @Eltharyon


      These changes will lead to extremely high prices for t7 rare fish and for the respective buff food.


      Could you please check about my previous post:

      Shawesome wrote:

      New Issue:

      I just fished for about 30 minutes in the BZ. I just caught one fish per catch. Every now and then there were two but very rare.

      full t8 fisherman gear (stacks were at 10) + t8 avalonian fishing rod

      t8 fisherman 100/95


      Before the update, I had three fish on the hook most of the time.

      EDIT:

      Occurs only when fishing without nodes.

      Nonetheless, wasn't like this before the update.
      This should be a bug, too.

      elder's fisherman workboots = + 17,5% fishing yield

      elder's fisherman garb = + 35% fishing yield

      elder's fisherman cap = + 17,5% fishing yield

      elder's avalonian fishing rod = + 20% fishing yield

      fisherman level 100 = + 0,16% fishing yield per level = + 16% fishing yield

      fisherman specialist level 95 = + 0,33% fishing yield per level = + 31,35% fishing yield

      premium bonus = + 50% fishing yield

      total = + 187,35%

      basic yield rate 1 fish per catch = 100%

      According to my calculation, I get a total of 287.35% fishing yield which should result into 3 fish per catch (most of the time).

      But I kept getting only 1 fish per catch over and over.

      Thanks in advance!

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Shawesome ().

    • Eltharyon wrote:

      Basically all Outland regions now behave how Mercia's region's behaved before:


      The Tier of region equates to the maximum Tier of fish you can catch in that region (same as resources and NPCs). The common fish you can catch should always be equal to the region's Tier or up to two Tiers below. The rare fish are any of that region's biome's rare fish up to the region Tier.
      Im not sure what u mean with "how Mercia´s region behaved before". For the time i have played (which is only 4-5 months), fishing did not worked in Mercia as u describe above. It wasnt land´s tier and up to two tiers below for common fishes but land´s tier as the minimun tier for common fishes and up to two tiers more. I.E. for T5 lands it used to be T5-T7 commons and T3-T7 rares, and for T6+ lands it was T6-T8 commons and T3-T7 rares.
    • Guilefulwolf wrote:

      Eltharyon wrote:

      Basically all Outland regions now behave how Mercia's region's behaved before:


      The Tier of region equates to the maximum Tier of fish you can catch in that region (same as resources and NPCs). The common fish you can catch should always be equal to the region's Tier or up to two Tiers below. The rare fish are any of that region's biome's rare fish up to the region Tier.
      Im not sure what u mean with "how Mercia´s region behaved before". For the time i have played (which is only 4-5 months), fishing did not worked in Mercia as u describe above. It wasnt land´s tier and up to two tiers below for common fishes but land´s tier as the minimun tier for common fishes and up to two tiers more. I.E. for T5 lands it used to be T5-T7 commons and T3-T7 rares, and for T6+ lands it was T6-T8 commons and T3-T7 rares.
      Actually you appear to be correct, I apologize, I confused this with the way that resource distribution was handled.

      I'll look into it more closely and keep you updated. Thanks again for the report.
    • Neef wrote:

      Fuat wrote:

      DEVs pls fix it as soon as possible... this is really painfull for make money.... fishing was already ded before queen update... now totally dead...
      How is it totally dead? Just because you need to be in a t8 or t7 zone? I don't understand how its soo bad, Just fish in the correct tier zone like every other gather....
      Due to the lower price of the fish as other mats and the (in my opinion) higher chance of getting ganked, it isn't economally worthwhile at the moment.

      Another reason is, even if you fish in a t8 BZ, you still don't have a 100% chance of getting t8 fish or t7 rare fish.

      In addition, the respawn times of the swarms also seem to be buggy at the moment.
    • Shawesome wrote:

      Neef wrote:

      Fuat wrote:

      DEVs pls fix it as soon as possible... this is really painfull for make money.... fishing was already ded before queen update... now totally dead...
      How is it totally dead? Just because you need to be in a t8 or t7 zone? I don't understand how its soo bad, Just fish in the correct tier zone like every other gather....
      Due to the lower price of the fish as other mats and the (in my opinion) higher chance of getting ganked, it isn't economally worthwhile at the moment.
      Another reason is, even if you fish in a t8 BZ, you still don't have a 100% chance of getting t8 fish or t7 rare fish.
      Well thats with any gathering.... But I did hear the fish drop rates seem to be a bit off.