Change in loot rights - URGENT!

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    • Just happened today again. Player was reported - devs can find it.

      Now, it was in yellow zone (Elbon Hills). We went PVP flag and killed the guy hoping we could get the loot back. Well, in yellow zones you get knocked down and loose item durability only. That mechanic protects the thief.

      For new players, like me, this is very demotivating. I got premium for a month to try it out. No regrets on that. Game really get me going for the overall aspect. Great game.

      Hope soon we see a patch with the fix.

      Best

      Chaos
    • chaosbreaker wrote:

      Just happened today again. Player was reported - devs can find it.

      Now, it was in yellow zone (Elbon Hills). We went PVP flag and killed the guy hoping we could get the loot back. Well, in yellow zones you get knocked down and loose item durability only. That mechanic protects the thief.

      For new players, like me, this is very demotivating. I got premium for a month to try it out. No regrets on that. Game really get me going for the overall aspect. Great game.

      Hope soon we see a patch with the fix.

      Best

      Chaos
      Don't waste time on reporting.. I can make a video of me stealing and show it to the dev, dev ain't going to do shit....

      and yes yellow =knock down, red= kills, [might as well try to knock him down until he is naked, i know we did on yellow for lols]...

      they will fix it , just have to wait...

      in the mean while have you research black zone? not sure if you have 2-3 set, but if you research you can find some area where the dungeon has a extreme low % of getting dived, youtube.com/watch?v=TZ1kxo7oxnA&feature=youtu.be 0 dived 2 complete full bag run.. I cannot share you mine but imgur.com/a/O268UoT there are place where an alderwood[archwood] version exist in anglia and version of places where it's dead as f**** and you can farm easily with low% dive and 25% increase fame...
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    • Hi Finalhecate,

      Tks for the tips. You see I don't give a damn about loose item or farm them in videogames. I spend my time in several activities and MMO is just one of them.

      And I do work in software area too by the way.

      So, you totally missed the point.

      Videogames, as anyother thing you do is about the experience. In this case, a bad one.

      So I am doing my part trying to rise the attention on this matter so the experience gets better.

      Best

      Chaos
    • chaosbreaker wrote:

      Hi Finalhecate,

      Tks for the tips. You see I don't give a damn about loose item or farm them in videogames. I spend my time in several activities and MMO is just one of them.

      And I do work in software area too by the way.

      So, you totally missed the point.

      Videogames, as anyother thing you do is about the experience. In this case, a bad one.

      So I am doing my part trying to rise the attention on this matter so the experience gets better.

      Best

      Chaos
      Glad you raised awareness, this there are tons of thread like this already about the looting system. Since you was [in my opinion] raising awarness to player and to the dev of this game then, 1 is checked off because someone already replied that they are working on it and game designer already replied to confirmed it, as for player part, there is tons of thread like this and none of them is sticke so it's all already raised, so no i didn't miss any point of view...

      You also worked in software area? nice imgur.com/a/dafHmQK <-- when i was 23, im 31 im also worked in software for private server ^,^....

      You are right about experience, and this is a bad one for ya, i have faced it many time when teaching newbie in run in random dungeon and i have forwarned each run the potential of this happening..

      So I am doing my part trying to rise the attention on this matter so the experience gets better. - it's already raised by you an countless other thread ^,^

      Best

      FInal ^,^ have a good day XD
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    • Piddle wrote:

      Miroue wrote:

      I can understand risk versus reward but in blue zons its pure steal. There is no way to kill someone in blue zons and only if both are flagged in yellow. So dont try to justify that its possible to be an idiot without any punishment risk at all.
      Most people's point is that. Even for a new player, you shouldn't be in these zones for more than a couple weeks. For an experienced player you are out of them in hours.
      It's like bumper cars vs real cars. Bumper cars are all bouncy so you don't get hurt when you ram yourself into another one.

      Wanting more protection is just like asking that people not get to rough in their bumper cars. That someone should tell them they are bumping too hard.

      It's hard for anyone to think that is a high priority.
      The problem is that you dont seem to understand how a player feels that is just testing out the game and doesnt know much about the Yellow/Red and later zones.

      I played about 10 hours by now and enjoyed it. At some point i wanted to give group play a try, but since the chat was such a chaos i chose to go to the "blue portal" on the map that seemed to be saver than the red portal.
      Ok, i arrived there... someone invited me and we did some rounds on the walls... was nice but not that much fun. Once that person left i found out that you can go inside and that there is a huge dungeon inside... I WAS HYPED.

      I had a blast and the group play of 10+ people was way more fun than the limited 4 player groups that most other MMOs like the Jedi Starwars one offers. Ok, i was a bit annoyed that the harter portals inside the dungeon where always "clear" and if we did them i didnt really understand the loot rewards that well, because they didnt seem that much better from the ouside. But what i have to say... the EXP was very good.

      The next day i logged in and i was ready do get more of those runes and other stuff.. what ever that would be for (at that point i didnt know that you can craft better gear with it that has more itempower at the same lvl). In the second party a guy came up and started to steal out loot... anyone cryed for report and after a while i noticed what/how he was doing it.

      I tried to tell myself that i need the exp and the money that i get plus the stuff i got from "mining" (that is also very toxic in my eyes how some people with the farming gear that boosts your time steal stuff that you started to mine before them) would support me.

      Another day went by and i got a lvl5 staff and a streamerfriend that i watched playing also got a T5 weapon that needs those runes to be made... THAT SEEMED RARE to me.
      2 Hours later the guy from the day before wanted in our party. Someone called out that he stole stuff the day before and the leader didnt invite him.

      Guess what? That guy then followed us, telling that he will just buy exp books with the money that he gets from selling our loot. We're idiots... he is the king and yesterday he made over a million.

      ------------------


      LOOK, i dont know anyone... i play from EU and got a ping of like 120.
      I'm not sure if or how i will deal with the yellow/red zones and there isnt much about it on youtube, because the game is "new" and the system is always changing.

      What do you think how "happy" iam and how willing iam to pay for premium to support this one lagging server that is filled with people that just want to scam new players in the "starter zones" because they are as much of a man as a persont hat steals candy from a kid. If i wouldnd had found this dev post i would've uninstalled the game and just downvoted it on stream in the hope that you will lose the game that lets people like you behave like this.


      YOU play a game that needs a big playerbase for you to do your PvP. Without the "sheep" you elite veterans that cant get laid IRL would just yell at each other and the game would die... so pray that the devs will be smarter than you and dont scare new players away before they can even get their char ready for the cold world
    • Hi,

      Yeah, it sucks when happen to us. But this always get worse before getting better. I saw yesterday on test server blog that devs are testing s 30 days 1 time change for that city lock change.

      It's not the solution for our issue but it does show that they care.

      I had a thief in party again yesterday.... It's frustrating. Happens at least 1 or 2 times a day. What I am doing is making groups for red zone. At least we can kill him and loot it back.

      Best

      Chaos
    • Zbrkesbris wrote:

      Finalhecate wrote:

      [might as well try to knock him down until he is naked...]
      impossible: he gets up and gains 15 sec invuln that is enough to get away.
      working on one more video before i sleep again...

      I didn't take screen shot, but out side there was a jerk of 5 people, we kill them, they left one player behind, that one player we coordinated attacks on him outside. people spread N S E W , once one of them hit them we dismounted and kept this up until he was naked. once naked he had nothing but to die over and over and over... the tank came back to help him. so he harrassed the tank and left the naked, made the tank 20% durability...Sad.. i always make video of such highlights to bad i didnt record it to post it at this momment oh well.. either way be patience now, they are working on it and it's already game designer approved..
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    • Finalhecate wrote:

      Zbrkesbris wrote:

      Finalhecate wrote:

      [might as well try to knock him down until he is naked...]
      impossible: he gets up and gains 15 sec invuln that is enough to get away.
      working on one more video before i sleep again...
      I didn't take screen shot, but out side there was a jerk of 5 people, we kill them, they left one player behind, that one player we coordinated attacks on him outside. people spread N S E W , once one of them hit them we dismounted and kept this up until he was naked. once naked he had nothing but to die over and over and over... the tank came back to help him. so he harrassed the tank and left the naked, made the tank 20% durability...Sad.. i always make video of such highlights to bad i didnt record it to post it at this momment oh well.. either way be patience now, they are working on it and it's already game designer approved..
      Actually i have another idea just need the vid to show it probably 20-30minute from now, have you tried skipping mobs?.. skip first floor = no one but a good healer can go through, or someone who invest heavy in skip set plus heals. meaning they now have to go either druid with invisibility potions.... and you won't see alot of these...

      so then you can go and finish the rest of the run while the people [chest looter] can face those sweet mobs and die on them....

      the only problem left is the*/leave party* loot stealer to dealt with... which are easy, yellow pk mode and as soon as they leave party, attack him..
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      Kombat: https://bit.ly/2H3BZns
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      Hudini: https://bit.ly/2XTonBI
      hellgate https://bit.ly/2H8Gqi3
    • @Zbrkesbris

      here it is already put at the right spot... pay attetion at those who came into our run that we were here first....

      already put for on the spot for you to be on... here he asked the same question and had the same experience with looter, i already explained how loot atm works and how it will be changed...

      saw what we did?.. we skip the mob and took the last chest... In the end they were just probably newbie group with no str since they almost died when we passed them. I would of obviously made them join the run and i stay off healing with no party so that they get more fame.. but none said merge none said invite [unlike the player next to the one i was helping, if you watch the whole vid he comes in and instantly say "invite" which i told the person to do so].... since no one said anything from the other group we skip mob.. they had all the chances to catch up to us, but couldn't they werent strong enough, they should of arrived at the exact point that we finish opening the chest, just enough time to say "sorry this chest is in another castle" and leave.....

      So why not skip first floor for each dungeon as i posted in post 29 ^,^.. the only person that can follow is a group that can pass heal, but when they see mob they will not pass it, they will just fight it and think it is full run, as for the scouters, they will have trouble skipping and this will slow them down..

      The worst part about posting this right here ist hat someone might now go in the same gear as me and attemp to steal chest by doing the exact same thing, the good new is tha they have to be druid healers, guess i just promoted druid heals XD

      Enjoy the game, dev are working on the fix..
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    • I think the only way to avoid this situation, giving the actual game mechanic, is go red or black zones.

      You should try. Gear ur self on T4 and go in.

      I was afraid in the beginning, but yesterday was my first try. It went well.

      I recommend.

      Dev team: any chance we see a patch in production for May 18 deploy?

      Love the game - I am making money playing the market too now.

      Best

      Chaos
    • chaosbreaker wrote:

      I think the only way to avoid this situation, giving the actual game mechanic, is go red or black zones.

      You should try. Gear ur self on T4 and go in.

      I was afraid in the beginning, but yesterday was my first try. It went well.

      I recommend.

      Dev team: any chance we see a patch in production for May 18 deploy?

      Love the game - I am making money playing the market too now.

      Best

      Chaos
      Many said do not be afriad, i say the same thing unless you only have 1 set, bring more set and you good to go . i have someone who i escort to carleon with 7.2 gear from lazygrass, i was like wtf you doing with those? he died..... yep i knew it, he left carleon back to brdigewatch and hasn't returned, tsk tsk bring more set= ok, bring one set = stay the hell out of red and black... also there are many blackzone were is lowwwwwwwwwwwwww% of getting dived.. i only got dived 1 out of march 25-april9 where the core run stop..i even made a video core run where we got zero dived, there are empty places that has low % not naming them,

      check this out. imgur.com/a/p62vHOg i have checked these places and voucher for my discord player that htey are legit easy to gather instead of getting ganked.. sorry cannot name them or people will start arriving in them. in the same way for random dungeon after f2p i found some where scouting and entering dungeon and doing dungeon for 5h at some and just standing wandering in the zone for 10h while talking in discord, that these place are somewhat abandone and easy to random dungeon with no fear...can't name them though, maybe after i quit [nahh i shouldnt be evil my team still goes there.]

      in red there is increase in ganking, group who goes into zone alot more then black zone at the same tier, in red i guided player albiononline.com/en/killboard/battles/30485509 who ran away just for me to tell them fight, we can take these guys trust me,and won the fight, skip the first mob incase they come back... and some fight were we lost cause 14pk its to much vs my group : bit.ly/2XTonBI especially when they are on mobs already...

      TL:DR
      go to red zone with having another set on the bank, go to black zone on lower set and explore the world to find these empty BLACK ZONE that has lolowlowlowlowwww% of getting dived..
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      Random dungeon https://bit.ly/2L5TxnS
      Kombat: https://bit.ly/2H3BZns
      Arena https://bit.ly/2ZKD3or
      Hudini: https://bit.ly/2XTonBI
      hellgate https://bit.ly/2H8Gqi3
    • Blue zone ninja looters take a risk as well

      1. Their reputation suffers. They get a lot less invites and a lot more kicks if they get an invite

      2. They get no Silver or Fame or significantly less. Usually as a Solo you find a large group and follow them for 15-30 min as they clear trash etc getting no Fame or Silver for a CHANCE to get that first click on that chest

      3. They stay in Blue zones thus gain a lot less profit if they were in another zone

      If a Solo can steal the chest from under the noses of 20 people he deserves the damn chest
      With best regards

      Weelah
    • Gilfort wrote:

      Blue zone ninja looters take a risk as well

      1. Their reputation suffers. They get a lot less invites and a lot more kicks if they get an invite

      2. They get no Silver or Fame or significantly less. Usually as a Solo you find a large group and follow them for 15-30 min as they clear trash etc getting no Fame or Silver for a CHANCE to get that first click on that chest

      3. They stay in Blue zones thus gain a lot less profit if they were in another zone

      If a Solo can steal the chest from under the noses of 20 people he deserves the damn chest
      1. make alt, or alt account it is now free to play no more 30 dollar, use alt to ninja dive, give loot to main account.

      2.the chest loot is enough, no need for fame, imgur.com/a/ULWW9k0

      3.all my loot imgur.com/a/ULWW9k0 from here are from t5, you can even get t8 artifact t6 artifact from t5, blue zone is maybe only different that you prob may get t7 instead of t8 [didnt do blue zone until i starter helping newbie and giving them all the loot on my videos, each one got or so of 300k+ [not going to post every video but just one, you can look for the rest if interested] right here..
      4. there is no pk unles faction war in blue zone, there is no risk and yes i would use alt on same account or another account to do this and even if they said my reputation is tanirsh i can make my own runs, .. imgur.com/a/6hfv7Us .. everything here is my own doing my own run my own leading, you don't need to lfg to do this you just find specific player, so even if i was an asshole to everyone and steal loot, i can count on specific player to still join my run and not steal my loot...

      ^,^

      edit

      ps. everyone who join my core runs was a newbie except darth magus who join late later, i did runs with my core newbie gearing them up making them alot of money and from march 25-april 9 they kept doing alot of runs with me, they made so much money they go in t6 zone area with 8.1 gear and artifact like badon and tiger mount in blackzone..

      also another note incase someone says something about black zone, no, black zone doesn't = better loot/ black zone= 25% increase fame that all, red blue yellow black all the same in random dungeon imgur.com/a/a6UKCYI <-- yellow
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      Kombat: https://bit.ly/2H3BZns
      Arena https://bit.ly/2ZKD3or
      Hudini: https://bit.ly/2XTonBI
      hellgate https://bit.ly/2H8Gqi3

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Finalhecate ().

    • New

      patch notes wrote:

      Chest Loot Changes


      Chests in Randomized Dungeons are now loot-protected for the character
      or party that dealt the most damage to the last mob guarding the chest.
      Note that flagged characters who are hostile toward the character/party
      that killed the last mob can circumvent this loot protection and open
      the chest.
      I'm a bit confused about the last sentence... so you can still leave the party when flagged as PvP or are of an enemy faction and steal the chest content but you cannot do that when not flagged as PvP?

      Why such exception and not require killing the character / group who killed the last mob after they took their stuff out of the chest?
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