[April 26th 18:50 UTC] Hotfix deployed - Knockdown silver deactivated

    • [April 26th 18:50 UTC] Hotfix deployed - Knockdown silver deactivated

      Dear players,

      We have just deployed a hotfix to the server after we had been made aware of a potential gameplay exploit with regards to Scrolls of Repair.

      Every time a player is knocked down or killed, a certain percentage of that players item value drops as silver. The amount dropped is significantly lower than the repair cost of the gear.

      However, as Scrolls of Repair fix a players gear without any extra cost, a player could in theory generate added value by repeatedly getting knocked down on purpose. We calculated that using this method, with some coordination, time investment and some very rare highest end gear, it would be possible to extract a silver value of up to ~300k per scroll, whereas the market price for these scrolls right now is around ~50k.This use of the scroll of repair was never intended by us.

      We have discovered that one player has been using this trick recently. We investigated that player, and while the mechanic in itself is not considered to be an exploit, the player in question also engaged in multi-accounting while using this trick and was banned.

      We have no indication that other players have used this trick, which is also reflected by the fact that Scrolls of Repair still trade so cheaply in the markets.

      As a precaution, to make sure that the trick is not used over the weekend, we have decided to temporarily disable the silver dropped by players when knocked down from mobs or yellow zone PvP.

      The hotfix was deployed at 18:30 UTC. A proper long-term fix will be developed by us in the course of the next week.


      Sincere apologies for the inconvenience,

      Robin 'Eltharyon' Henkys
      Game Director
    • Wadefu wrote:

      MasterZedX wrote:

      LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO I KNEW IT

      Edit: Don't question my knowledge again.
      Props to you. So the character with 100kk silver in a week was just used as the dummy to pick up the silver. I guess if it was done in a yellow zone there is no killboard or proof of the gear he was using to do it.
      Also explains why he had an 8.3 bag in his inventory on one of his recent kills.
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    • As you can see, one bad apple in the basket and the whole basket gets blamed...
      (One bug, uhmm unintended feature, abuser makes the rest suffer the penalty)

      Good thing they cought the person on those accounts, but im sure there are many like him, knowing how players are in general.
      Lets hope they find a good solution to prevent these kind of "system abuse".
      (Maybe auto alert on players that earn more than average silver in certain time)
      This account im using here and on the wiki is not my game account ;)
    • Eltharyon wrote:

      We have discovered that one player has been using this trick recently. We investigated that player, and while the mechanic in itself is not considered to be an exploit, the player in question also engaged in multi-accounting while using this trick and was banned.
      Great job guys - and, and its amazing how Albion has "player driven" economy and also "player driven" policing, or self-balancing vs abuse that is!

      HNIC.DayDay wrote:

      So if the guy had some friends he would have been okay Silly friendless player!
      No if he had friends he would have not done it, as he'd have to pay his friends (unless they were idiots who did it for free - at which point its no diff then just donating silver to someone), which would have drastically reduced his Silver/HR and would have made it not worth it. (the next guy in 2nd place has gained 40mil silver in a week, so this guy who got banned was getting 2.5x times the max achieved "norm")

      Wadefu wrote:

      The only reason as well is because of something not related to the bug lol.
      Well correct... killing yourself for silver if you are wasting money for repairs (or buy repair scrolls = still spending silver) is not abusive in and of itself. Multi-boxing to affect multiple characters - is.
      If he had friends and paid them - reducing his silver to like 10mil/week = 200k/hr (if 10hrs by 7d), that would have been nothing (esp when he is paying 50k per scroll). I can make 1 mil/hr gathering in BZ.

      Fusionbomb wrote:

      good idea

      bad execution
      As written above, he could not have executed it any better... if he used "real players" (friends) then he would reduce his gains by quite a bit.

      TriMoon wrote:

      As you can see, one bad apple in the basket and the whole basket gets blamed...
      (One bug, uhmm unintended feature, abuser makes the rest suffer the penalty)
      Not sure who else is suffering here? You still get silver drops on death in RZ and BZ? So ummm?

      TriMoon wrote:

      Good thing they cought the person on those accounts, but im sure there are many like him, knowing how players are in general.
      Doubt any others are like him, seeing how the next guy was making 40mil/week. Plus if others are making less silver (due to speed or costs of paying friends) - then this is really not any different then flipping items on market or BM or gathering. I can make 1mil/hr in BZ, so if I "nolife" it I could do 10mil/day and 70mil/week (you would not see it on the silver leaderboard tho as selling stuff on AH does not count as "picking up silver"). Not to mention that there are ppl how make 100mil+ silver a week with other activities like crafting, plot owning (taxes), etc...

      TriMoon wrote:

      Lets hope they find a good solution to prevent these kind of "system abuse".
      Again, the silver drop itself is not really abuse... multiboxing is. The only reason they are looking to fix the silver drop in YZ is because other idiots will try to cheat and multibox it and it will be extra work to ban those ppl. So they are just taking preventative measures so that they dont have to ban a crap-ton of ppl and deal with the salty tears fallout moving forward.

      TriMoon wrote:

      (Maybe auto alert on players that earn more than average silver in certain time)
      Well you can already see this on the silver leader boards. And the "player driven policing" picked it up and reported it in this thread: 100m+ in a week?
    • Eltharyon wrote:

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      Dear players,
      We have just deployed a hotfix to the server after we had been made aware of a potential gameplay exploit with regards to Scrolls of Repair.
      Every time a player is knocked down or killed, a certain percentage of that players item value drops as silver. The amount dropped is significantly lower than the repair cost of the gear.
      However, as Scrolls of Repair fix a players gear without any extra cost, a player could in theory generate added value by repeatedly getting knocked down on purpose. We calculated that using this method, with some coordination, time investment and some very rare highest end gear, it would be possible to extract a silver value of up to ~300k per scroll, whereas the market price for these scrolls right now is around ~50k.This use of the scroll of repair was never intended by us.
      We have discovered that one player has been using this trick recently. We investigated that player, and while the mechanic in itself is not considered to be an exploit, the player in question also engaged in multi-accounting while using this trick and was banned.
      We have no indication that other players have used this trick, which is also reflected by the fact that Scrolls of Repair still trade so cheaply in the markets.
      As a precaution, to make sure that the trick is not used over the weekend, we have decided to temporarily disable the silver dropped by players when knocked down from mobs or yellow zone PvP.
      The hotfix was deployed at 18:30 UTC. A proper long-term fix will be developed by us in the course of the next week.
      Sincere apologies for the inconvenience,
      Robin 'Eltharyon' Henkys
      Game Director

      Welp, my last post was removed. Hope this player was treated fairly. Following up on Reddit. :thumbsup:

      The post was edited 1 time, last by TimForReal ().

    • Actually we are pretty fortunate that this guy was so greedy and obvious. He found a hole in the system and then exploited it in the most blatant possible way putting his name on a freaking public list for everyone to see. If this had been a more devious individual he would could have easily spread this money around on different accounts and mules and would STILL be doing it. Also this stuff does not remain a secrete long and other would have started and then lets just say some RMT guys got in on it and others botting it and well you get the picture.

      In fact, you can be pretty certain there were more people doing this and they were subtle and smart about it.
    • ViLEuo wrote:

      Great more broken mechanics which get heavily exploited because SBI devs lack foresight. Also don't kid yourself, tons of people probably did this...that dudes 100m in a week is a drop in the bucket. This could have been done for months.

      At least you finally stopped it.
      Say thanks that you are even know about it , i can bet all other game developers would just kept this in silent in similar situation. Damage done by this abuse is minor.
    • ViLEuo wrote:

      Great more broken mechanics which get heavily exploited because SBI devs lack foresight. Also don't kid yourself, tons of people probably did this...that dudes 100m in a week is a drop in the bucket. This could have been done for months.

      At least you finally stopped it.
      there is nothing wrong with earning silver this way if you are not dualboxing or using macros or other "TOS prohibited methods".

      Flipping scroll from AH for 50k and making 300k out of it by killing yourself, is no different then flipping items on AH in bulk, or playing the Black Market.

      The issue comes if/when you start to dual-box of break the TOS to do this (macroing the AH/BM would also be against the TOS and bannable, while manual playing of AH/BM is totally fine).

      Just so that we are clear here...